“The Synagogue of Satan, Who are they?”

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Thank you for your observation. One would have to be a literalist to think that the Synagogue of Satan was only a group of Judiacs specifically persecuting Smyrna and Philadelphia. If you are a literalist reading Revelation, then you’re going to have some real issues with its imagery. Reading Revelation 2:20 literally would declare that Jezebel resurrected and was teaching the church of Thyatira her doctrine only in their time. Do you have scriptures or documentation verifying that this group’s persecution only applied to Smyrna and Philadelphia?

I interpret scriptures and eschatology considering both the exoteric and esoteric meanings. I can also provide documentation that this group did continue. It has been documented that King Herod Agrippa, Hiram Abiud and Moab Levy were the originators of the Mysterious Force later renamed Freemasons. This group is still here today with a myriad of other secret societies. Here is a brief portion of, "Dissipation Of The Darkness: History of the Origin of Masonry."

Session of June 24 of the year 43 after Christ: How Hiram Abiud, Counselor of the King Herod, conceived the idea of founding the Masonic Association, proposing it in the Court of Jerusalem. Herod Agrippa Is king of Judea from the year 37 to the year 44 of our era. He is the grandson of Herod the Great, who ordered the infants of Bethlehem slain. Moab Is the first counselor of Herod Agrippa. [It seems like the Hiram, Moab and the 7 Others were Pharisees who believed and practiced Babylonian Magic and were answerable to the Demonic beings who in turn were answerable to the Satan, the Lucifer. These Pharisees, after realizing that the death (of Juda and ascension of Jesus) didn’t stopped the spread of true religion of Adam, Noah, and Abraham (opposed to their brand of Cabalism), formed a secret society of 9 unknown men and are today known as “Elders Of Zion”. Cabala or Kabbalah was a system to learn mystical knowledge (same as Sufism). The basic of this system was Numerology, Astrology, Alphabets, Astronomy and spiritual awakenings of Chakras located in humans. The lowest one or the first one is attributed to physical use of the laws of nature and mastery over the desires of flesh. Spiritually, All demonic forces, low level spiritual worlds like levels of hell and knowledge of Nature’s laws are associated with the Chakra located at the Navel. With the passage of time, knowledge of the higher realms, worlds and powers were lost and the Pharisees became synagogue of Satan, stuck at the lower levels. Instead of being befriended with angels, those Pharisees started to allow Demonic powers (satanic powers) to rule over them. They were not able to go beyond Navel Chakras because flesh or mortal desires overcome them --TARIQ]
The second meeting King Herod held with Moab Levy, his first counselor, and Hiram Abiud, on June 25 of the year 43 of our era.
King Herod spoke first and said:
What happened and what continues happening, my two companions, since the appearance of the impostor Jesus, deserves to occupy our attention. We must find a means to help us attack that sect of people that, in spite of their small number, confuses the people with their false teachings. Moreover, those who adopt those falsities not only conform themselves by their adoption, but practice them devoutly and, to fill the measure to overflowing, they publish them courageously, without any fear, wherever they go. Let us note that the propagation of such teaching increases day by day. Let us recognize that their followers, now perfectly identified with the cause, have separated themselves from our religion. Let us not doubt that those who waver today will soon fall in the snare of the deceit. To avoid this danger, no other alternative remains to us than to establish an Association whose object will be to incorporate secretly the spirit of the Jewish Nation and to be able thus to crush that mysterious and criminal hand that directs that movement, and to silence its propaganda. If we do not succeed in this intention, many people, inclined toward the lies preached by that deceiver, will fall under his influence. Before the problem worsens, my dear friends, we must give it the importance it deserves. Let us now select the companions who will collaborate with us in the foundation. These must be possessors of proven honor, profound discretion, great activity and immense zeal for the protection of the Jewish religion."

http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/rel...%20Masonry.pdf

Again. and scriptural evidence or documentation to support your observation would be appreciated.

Selah

I'll be honest. I have grave doubt's as to the historical validity of this story. It sounds like a legend.

However, I do know that the royal families of Europe are all connected and related, and trace their ancestry back to two original sources: the Flavians, and the Herods. Herod's relatives married into the Flavian line(s) and vice versa quite often, and European nobility claim both lines of descent.

By European nobity I include the "Black Nobility" of Italian aristocracy, who also happen to basically run the Vatican institutions.

Nobility have also always been associated with various Masonic-type orders (aka chivalric orders).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

If you read the book it tells the reader its own story of how it came into being. Did you read the entire Book? As far as history on ancient lineages I would lean to these scholars rather than EB's opinion.

"Classical period Herodotus (484 BC–c. 420 BC), Halicarnassus, wrote the Histories that established Western historiography
Thucydides (460 BC–c. 400 BC), Peloponnesian War
Xenophon (431 BC–c. 360 BC), Athenian knight and student of Socrates
Ctesias (early 4th century BC), Greek historian of Assyrian, Persian, and Indian history
Hellenistic periodTheopompus (c. 380 BC-c. 315 BC), Greek history
Eudemus of Rhodes (c. 370-c. 300 BC), Greek historian of science
Ptolemy I Soter (367 BC–c. 283 BC), general of Alexander the Great, founder of Ptolemaic Dynasty
Duris of Samos (c. 350 BC - after 281 BC), Greek history
Berossus (early 3rd century BC), Babylonian historian
Timaeus of Tauromenium (c. 345 BC– c. 250 BC), Greek history
Manetho (3rd century BC), Egyptian historian and priest from Sebennytos (ancient Egyptian: Tjebnutjer) who lived during the Ptolemaic era
Quintus Fabius Pictor (c. 254 BC–?), Roman history
Artapanus of Alexandria (late 3rd to early 2nd centuries BC), Jewish historian of Ptolemaic Egypt
Cato the Elder (234-149 BC), Roman statesman and historian, author of the Origines
Gaius Acilius (fl. 155 BC), Roman history
Agatharchides (fl. mid 2nd century BC), Greek history
Polybius (203 BC–c. 120 BC), early Roman history (written in Greek)
Sempronius Asellio (c. 158 - after 91 BC), early Roman history
Diodorus of Sicily, (1st century BC), Greek history
Posidonius (c. 135 BC - 51 BC), Greek and Roman history
Theophanes of Mytilene (fl. mid 1st century BC), Roman history
Roman EmpireJulius Caesar (100 BC–c. 44 BC), Gallic and civil wars
Sallust (86 BC–34 BC), Roman history
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (c. 60 BC–after 7 BC), Roman history
Livy (c. 59 BC–c. 17 AD), Roman history
Memnon of Heraclea (fl. 1st century AD), Greek and Roman history
Strabo (63 BC-24 AD), geography, Greek history
Marcus Velleius Paterculus (c. 19 BC–c. 31 AD), Roman history
Pamphile of Epidaurus, (female historian active during the reign of Nero, r. 54–68), Greek history
Quintus Curtius Rufus (c. 60–70), Greek history
Flavius Josephus (37–100), Jewish history
Thallus (early 2nd century AD), Roman history
Gaius Cornelius Tacitus (c. 56 –c. 120), early Roman Empire
Plutarch (c. 46–120), would not have counted himself as an historian, but is a useful source because of his Parallel Lives of important Greeks and Romans
Suetonius (75–160), Roman emperors up to Flavian dynasty
Appian (c. 95–c. 165), Roman history
Arrian (c. 92–175), Greek history
Dio Cassius (c. 160–after 229), Roman history
Diogenes Laërtius (fl. c. 230), history of Greek philosophers
Sextus Julius Africanus (c. 160 - c. 240), early Christian
Herodian (c. 170–c. 240), Roman history
Lucius Ampelius (3rd century AD?), Roman history
Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 275–c. 339), early Christian
Ammianus Marcellinus (c. 325–c. 391), Roman history
Rufinus of Aquileia (c. 340–410), early Christian
Philostorgius (368–c. 439), early Christian
Socrates of Constantinople (c. 380–?), early Christian
Movses Khorenatsi (13 January 410–488), Armenian history
Priscus (5th century), Byzantine history
Sozomen (c. 400–c. 450), early Christian
Theodoret (c. 393–c. 457), early Christian
Salvian (c. 400/405–c. 493), early Christian
Zosimus (fl. 491–518), late Roman history
Jordanes (6th century), history of the Goths
John Malalas (c. 491–578), Early Christian"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historians

If you would have read my earlier replies to other posters on this thread then you would have know that I do not question anyone's salvation.

Selah

Good luck in proving anyone related to Herod the Great. Scholars are laughing at you sir, roaring in laughter. Also the Mormons have a program which traces everyone's lineage back to Adam. It is as false as their religion. My opinion? Ezra 2:59-62 isn't my opinion. Did you read all the individuals you listed? Highly doubtful, and I do mean highly. But, please proceed, your inflated self image is quite amusing.

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'll be honest. I have grave doubt's as to the historical validity of this story. It sounds like a legend.

However, I do know that the royal families of Europe are all connected and related, and trace their ancestry back to two original sources: the Flavians, and the Herods. Herod's relatives married into the Flavian line(s) and vice versa quite often, and European nobility claim both lines of descent.

By European nobity I include the "Black Nobility" of Italian aristocracy, who also happen to basically run the Vatican institutions.

Nobility have also always been associated with various Masonic-type orders (aka chivalric orders).

Most all documents can be scrutinized and that is prudent. Why I gave it any credence is the explanation of how it came about to be translated. The first 11-12 pages takes great lengths to explain how this story came about. When I read the Protocols of Zion the goals and ambitions seemed very similar in their pattern. I know many have discounted that as well as Jesuit fallacies. But when you put in context what has happened through history; with the aims and intents of each group, you see their agendas coming into fruition. When you read the Communist Manifesto you see the similarities to the protocols again. If this was the only document referring to the activities of this group then it would not be able to stand on it own. I have many other resources that reinforce both this and the protocols, but if I continue to post them I will be deemed Anti- Semitic. You are correct there has always been a link between the Nobilities and groups like the Masonic Orders. My whole premise is that those who contended with our Apostolic Forefathers in Judea has morphed into this multifaceted group and subverted every aspect of our society to destroy the Christian Family today. If we know who is attacking the flock we now know how to direct our prayers.

2 Corinthians 2:11(KJV) Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

This has nothing to do with ones salvation. My assumption is that most all posters on this board are my brother and sisters. I would not question their walk with our Heavenly Father. That is not my place. I will let John convey why I am writing about theses groups.


1John 2:13 (KJV) I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and (ye have overcome the wicked one.)

Selah

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Most all documents can be scrutinized and that is prudent. Why I gave it any credence is the explanation of how it came about to be translated. The first 11-12 pages takes great lengths to explain how this story came about. When I read the Protocols of Zion the goals and ambitions seemed very similar in their pattern. I know many have discounted that as well as Jesuit fallacies. But when you put in context what has happened through history; with the aims and intents of each group, you see their agendas coming into fruition. When you read the Communist Manifesto you see the similarities to the protocols again. If this was the only document referring to the activities of this group then it would not be able to stand on it own. I have many other resources that reinforce both this and the protocols, but if I continue to post them I will be deemed Anti- Semitic. You are correct there has always been a link between the Nobilities and groups like the Masonic Orders. My whole premise is that those who contended with our Apostolic Forefathers in Judea has morphed into this multifaceted group and subverted every aspect of our society to destroy the Christian Family today. If we know who is attacking the flock we now know how to direct our prayers.

2 Corinthians 2:11(KJV) Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

This has nothing to do with ones salvation. My assumption is that most all posters on this board are my brother and sisters. I would not question their walk with our Heavenly Father. That is not my place. I will let John convey why I am writing about theses groups.


1John 2:13 (KJV) I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and (ye have overcome the wicked one.)

Selah

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Most all documents can be scrutinized and that is prudent. Why I gave it any credence is the explanation of how it came about to be translated. The first 11-12 pages takes great lengths to explain how this story came about. When I read the Protocols of Zion the goals and ambitions seemed very similar in their pattern. I know many have discounted that as well as Jesuit fallacies. But when you put in context what has happened through history; with the aims and intents of each group, you see their agendas coming into fruition. When you read the Communist Manifesto you see the similarities to the protocols again. If this was the only document referring to the activities of this group then it would not be able to stand on it own. I have many other resources that reinforce both this and the protocols, but if I continue to post them I will be deemed Anti- Semitic. You are correct there has always been a link between the Nobilities and groups like the Masonic Orders. My whole premise is that those who contended with our Apostolic Forefathers in Judea has morphed into this multifaceted group and subverted every aspect of our society to destroy the Christian Family today. If we know who is attacking the flock we now know how to direct our prayers.

2 Corinthians 2:11(KJV) Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

This has nothing to do with ones salvation. My assumption is that most all posters on this board are my brother and sisters. I would not question their walk with our Heavenly Father. That is not my place. I will let John convey why I am writing about theses groups.


1John 2:13 (KJV) I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and (ye have overcome the wicked one.)

Selah

I have my doubts concerning the story of the creation of Masonry going back to Herod. What I mean is this: I do not believe the purported history replete with dialogue and all is factual. It strikes me as a Masonic legend? Although legends have a habit of being based somewhat in actual history.

Masonry certainly has an idealogical pedigree going back to Second Temple Jewish Gnosticism, Greek and Roman pagan Mystery cults, and even further, back to the Chaldean Mystery religion of Babylon. And even further on back. But an idealogical pedigree and an historical pedigree are two different things.

There have been anti-Masonic writings put forward by the purported enemies of Masonry that may be falsified histories written "in the name" of Masonry, in order to startle and shock people into an antiMasonic opinion. I honestly don't know how this Dissipation could be verified, historically speaking.

But honestly I don't think it matters. It's like the Protocols. The internal historical claims of its origins are not really relevant to the data the work contains as to methods and mechanisms.

I do however believe that we are not as disconnected from first century religious conflicts as many today seem to think. One thing I have learned in studying history, especially studying it chronologically, is that we today are indeed part of a larger, on-going story that reaches back a very very long time. Modern education has destroyed people's sense of continuity with the past.

[Evang.Benincasa]

My whole issue is that scapegoating any group usually ends up with the wrong people catching a beating. Or getting killed. Even individuals I know who are anti-Missionary are just apologists for their religion. Rabbi Tovia Singer vigorously attacks Christianity, because he is an apologist for his religion of Talmudic Judaism. G.S. Lawrence's book 'Dissipation into Darkness, the Origin of Masonry' has masonry being established by King Herod Agrippa to come against Jesus Christ? Seriously? Where is this bit of IMPORTANT news in the New Testament? How about history? Kabbalah can be traced all the way to BABYLON. No secret. Guess what Heidel, the most authoritative Talmud is BABYLONIAN TALMUD. No secret, nothing is hidden which can not be found. Unless it is a secret, kept by people who have lots of money to be made. In those cases, they protect their secrets under pains of death. Which Google doesn't have available. If you find out the secret, you like Jimmy Hoffa get encased in reinforced concrete.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I have my doubts concerning the story of the creation of Masonry going back to Herod. What I mean is this: I do not believe the purported history replete with dialogue and all is factual. It strikes me as a Masonic legend? Although legends have a habit of being based somewhat in actual history.

Masonry certainly has an idealogical pedigree going back to Second Temple Jewish Gnosticism, Greek and Roman pagan Mystery cults, and even further, back to the Chaldean Mystery religion of Babylon. And even further on back. But an idealogical pedigree and an historical pedigree are two different things.

There have been anti-Masonic writings put forward by the purported enemies of Masonry that may be falsified histories written "in the name" of Masonry, in order to startle and shock people into an antiMasonic opinion. I honestly don't know how this Dissipation could be verified, historically speaking.

But honestly I don't think it matters. It's like the Protocols. The internal historical claims of its origins are not really relevant to the data the work contains as to methods and mechanisms.

I do however believe that we are not as disconnected from first century religious conflicts as many today seem to think. One thing I have learned in studying history, especially studying it chronologically, is that we today are indeed part of a larger, on-going story that reaches back a very very long time. Modern education has destroyed people's sense of continuity with the past.

[Evang.Benincasa]

CalledOut238?

Does your pastor and church family believe as you do?

Have you shared this "information" with your pastor?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

[SIZE="3"] If we know who is attacking the flock we now know how to direct our prayers.


Selah

From another thread:

Originally Posted by Esaias

An example of APOSTOLIC "spiritual warfare":

Acts 4:15-31 But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, (16) Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it. (17) But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name. (18) And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. (19) But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. (20) For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. (21) So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done. (22) For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was shewed. (23) And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them. (24) And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: (25) Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? (26) The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. (27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, (28) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. (29) And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, (30) By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. (31) And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Apostolic ministers were in the Temple preaching Jesus. The secular powers (civil and religious) didn't like that, they established it as government policy to stop the spread of the Gospel among the people. So, the church had a prayer meeting.

They did NOT pray against demonic spirits, they did NOT "bind the territorial spirits controlling Jerusalem", they did NOT "loose the power of God", they did NOT sneak to the Temple at night and anoint it with holy (magic?) oil, they did NOT "bind the devils whispering in the officials' ears", they did NOT say "we know it is evil spirits doing this to stop the Gospel, not flesh and blood, we love these guys, we want to invite them over for dinner, and meanwhile we BIND THE DEMONS AND FALLEN ANGELS OVER THIS CITY and we RELEASE these officials from being bound to them!"

No, here's what they did: The preachers made up their minds and made it public that they would NOT cease preaching the Gospel no matter what. They openly declared to the secular powers that obedience to God trumps any pretended authority they had to oppose the good news of Christ's Kingdom. They had a prayer meeting, and after establishing the purpose of the prayer meeting (the government's opposition to the apostolic preaching in public), they got in one mind and one accord, and prayed thus:

1. They identified God as the Creator and Almighty.
2. They identified the WORD OF GOD that stated the exact situation they were facing.
3. They identified the correct apostolic interpretation and application of that Word of God to their immediate situation.
4. They petitioned God to grant ALL His people BOLDNESS TO KEEP ON PREACHING.
5. They petitioned God to confirm the preaching of the Name of JESUS with signs following.

The result? The place was shaken, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they preached the Word with boldness. Signs and wonders took place (including two lying hypocrites being struck dead in church). And the preaching went forward:

Acts 5:11-14 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. (12) And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. (13) And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. (14) And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

Oh, and let's not fancy that all was well. no, this is genuine spiritual warfare. As a result of this attack by the church on contested ground (the Temple), here's the enemy's response:

Acts 5:17-18 Then the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him, (which is the sect of the Sadducees,) and were filled with indignation, (18) And laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison.

Yes, real spiritual warfare isn't LARPing from Momma's basement. It oftentimes includes GOING TO JAIL. The church wages war by means of the Divine weapons given to her, and the enemy responds with physical force, imprisonment, and even murders. But what happened?

Acts 5:19-21 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, (20) Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life. (21) And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.

A Divine intervention occurs, a jailbreak. (How many of you would support a preacher who went to jail for public preaching - "creating a public nuisance and causing a disturbance/disorderly conduct" - and who then BROKE OUT OF JAIL and went straight back to the very area contested in the first place?) The apostles get loose from the jail (now they are fugitives) and show right back up in the enemy's FACE preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom.

The powers that be just couldn't understand what was going on. But they recognised that things were getting out of (their) control. They arrest the preachers but do it carefully because so many people were being positively affected by the preaching that heavy-handed tactics on the part of the police would possibly spark a major riot:

Acts 5:22-26 But when the officers came, and found them not in the prison, they returned, and told, (23) Saying, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors: but when we had opened, we found no man within. (24) Now when the high priest and the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these things, they doubted of them whereunto this would grow. (25) Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people. (26) Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.

The powers that be were AFRAID. Are they afraid of today's apostolic church? If not, why not?

The end result (at least of that go-round)? The powers that be had to regroup and rethink, and decided they couldn't do much so let it go, hoping it would fizzle on its own. Which of course, it didn't.

[CalledOut238]

I can only reiterate that mischaracterizing my comments is inappropriate. I wrote that this group deceived the Judeans in killing their Messiah impacting their salvation. A natural deduction would be if their deceptions continues today; and some believe their lies, it could impact their destiny. To jump to a conclusion that I am declaring people are lost if you do not believe my understanding is a stretch and a equivocation. Hopefully this puts to rest that I am not questioning anyone's salvation.

When asked about bloodlines my reply was though some may track bloodlines it is irrelevant. And that it is their ideological teachings; and nature of the Synagogue of Satan, that is being spread today. I never stated that Herod's or the persecutors bloodline was the continuation of the Synagogue of Satan. Hopefully this will answer this prevarication and stop this bloodline distortion.

I have clearly stated that this group uses money, fame and power to recruit others to join their group to implement their vision of their messianic kingdom. How many times do I have to say it is an ideology that many cultures and peoples follow with this Luciferian agenda. To imply that I am saying the Synagogue of Satan is made up of only Jewry is a total aspersion.

No, I have not read all the writings of historians of Herodian period, but I assure you I have studied this topic quite extensively. If you have doubts about the beginnings of Masonry that is your supposition and that is your right. I appreciate those who want to discuss their perspectives without berating and antagonizing. If someone has an alternate perspective then I am more than willing to consider.

As far as playing the victim card for the illegitimate Judeans I can tell you that dog doesn't hunt with me. Hundreds of millions of people have died for the pursuit of Theodor Herzl and Oden Yinon's Greater Israel plan. And these plans line up with the Protocols of Zion, Dissipation of Darkness and Rules for Radicals. If you want to discount the events that are happening before our eyes then go ahead. That is everyone's prerogative and right as Americans.

Selah