Students Plan - March for Our Lives: March 24th

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It might help future killers not be so efficient. I mean, the AR-15 isn't a hunting rifle. It's designed to kill people... with greater efficiency than non-assault weapons. Am I correct?

No. The AR-15 has become very popular as a hunting rifle. They are versatile, reliable and handle all kinds of weather. I don't personally own one, but I have friends who do (hunters no less) and who like being able to switch out uppers and lowers and modify them to their liking.

Liberals want to claim the AR-15 is designed to kill. But the truth is it is no more designed to kill than any other weapon.

Originally Posted by Aquila

"Everyone"? I'm not concerned with AR-15's. I am concerned with similar weapons with high capacity magazines.

You're not concerned with AR-15s? Then why post that it's "designed to kill people" and it's for "hunting . . . people?"

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd never support banning all guns. I'm just saying that I don't see any reason why assault weapons should be so easily purchased. Their purpose is to kill people with more efficiency. I'd support banning bump stocks and trigger cranks without hesitation. I'd consider an assault weapons ban, but I'd have to see the specific legislation in question to determine if I'd support it or not.

Define: Assault weapons.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here is what I'm thinking...

1.) Ban fully assault weapons
2.) Ban bump stocks and devices that make semi-automatic weapons fire essentially like fully automatic weapons.
3.) Require registration, a wait period (3-7 days), and a full criminal background check that includes checks against the No-Fly, Selectee, and Watch lists when someone wishes to purchase any weapon. Those attempting to purchase and showing up on any of these background checks the purchase should be denied and the individual should get flagged. If the buyer wishes to contest any results of the background check there should be a procedure in place to allow for any individual to contest those results and have them resolved within 30 days.

The way I'm seeing it right now is like this... While the Constitution protects the right to bear arms, it doesn't specifically state one has a "right" to assault weapon.

1) "Fully assault weapon." What in the world is that? You sound like Nancy Pelosi trying to describe a semi-automatic rifle.
2) Here's a fun fact - after Las Vegas, the NRA agreed the government restricting bump stocks and trigger cranks. The fact that the ATF has not done so is not the NRA's fault.
3) I am okay with more stringent background checks. I am against using the unconstitutional No-Fly list for gun purchases.

To be clear, none of these would have stopped this kid from killing. Only a complete ban on guns might have kept him from shooting and killing so many.

I want to know how you define assault weapon, but to be clear 2A gives right to keep and bear arms. Period. It does not say, keep and bear only these ones.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And the NRA would send thoughts and prayers to the families of the next 10 school shootings before even considering banning bump stocks or assault weapons designed to kill people with greater efficiency. And they don't care what happens to the American public, they'll continue to chant their mantra that any concession opens the door to greater limitations on the specific rights they support.

The NRA supports the restriction of bump stocks and trigger cranks, so that's untrue. You make the NRA to be some kind of monster, associating it with an organization which kills babies. It's not. It's mission is to protect our rights. To claim they "don't care" what happens is just a liberal lie.

What are assault weapons?

Originally Posted by Aquila

The problem is, these dead children aren't props. Why does the right dehumanize victims like this?

Why do the left USE the dead like this? They USE them. Just as they use blacks and hispanics. Trump is right, the Democrats don't want to fix immigration; they don't want to do anything with DACA. They just want to USE them for votes.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The only ones who will hear and support the concerns of these students, parents, and school staff members are those of a more liberal position.

More lies

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why would anyone need an assault weapon with a bump stock? Hunting? Yeah. Hunting... people.

What is an assault weapon?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I get that you think there's a comparison. I'm saying it's disgusting and wrong to equate murdering babies with protecting our rights. There IS NO comparison between NARAL and the NRA. None.

The Constitution doesn't give anyone a right to an assault weapon any more than it gives anyone the right to own a nuclear warhead.

If you believe everyone who owns a gun is a would-be murderer, whatever.

Do you assume anyone should have a right to purchase an assault weapon, regardless of intent?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm not "totally dismissing" their grievances. I've simply argued that this walk out is stupid and is just wacko, radical left-wing, Dem groups using these kids to push their socialist agenda.

If they weren't being used by the left, obviously there would be grief and anger. The question is where would the anger and blame be pointed? The left and media have led them to point their anger at the big, bad NRA and members of Congress who have defended 2A rights.

The anger, however, should be directed at the shooter. There is also blame to go around with the FBI completely ignoring, not once but twice, warnings about this kid. They didn't investigate it as they admitted on Friday. They ignored their own protocols.

If not for the NRA assault weapons bump stocks would already be illegal.

[n david]

Originally Posted by aquila

the constitution doesn't give anyone a right to an assault weapon any more than it gives anyone the right to own a nuclear warhead.




Do you assume anyone should have a right to purchase an assault weapon, regardless of intent?

wHaT iS aN aSsAuLt WeApOn????

[Aquila]

Being outraged over senseless deaths, drawing attention to then, and demanding a change in a culture that glorifies firearms isn't using them. It's to be expected.

Y'all can call these kids props. But with additional school shootings, kids are going to become more vocal until you just can't ignore them.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If not for the NRA assault weapons bump stocks would already be illegal.

Wrong.

It was the ATF during the obama administration which allowed bump stocks. The NRA had nothing to do with it.

Further, the NRA said it would support the ATF reviewing its decision and restricting bump stocks and trigger cranks.

"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
Statement from the NRA after the Las Vegas shooting.

What are assault weapons?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The Constitution doesn't give anyone a right to an assault weapon any more than it gives anyone the right to own a nuclear warhead.

The Constitution doesn't grant you or me anything. It grants the federal government certain powers, and the Bill of Rights specifies certain things the federal government is forbidden to do.

Among those verboten things is the right of the people (you and me) to keep and bear arms. This right isn't granted by the Constitution, nor by human government AT ALL. It is a preexisting right that government is forbidden to infringe.

Not that government gives two hoots about rights.

You, as a bleating liberal progressive communist, "feel" that there ought to be a law banning arms. Nobody but law abiding people would obey such a law anyway, and those are people who don't do mass shootings. The shooting occurred in a restricted area where it was ILLEGAL to carry arms. Boy, that sure stopped the crime, didn't it? Hey, mass murder is already illegal everywhere! Since banning things and actions prevents those things and actions, I guess nothing actually happened in Florida, eh?

Liberal logic isn't. Liberalism is a mental disorder. The alleged shooter, like most other mass shooters, was apparently a registered Democrat?

It doesn't matter one bit, though. Nobody's giving up their guns, nobody's giving up their rights anymore. Disarming is off the table, it is simply not up for discission. PERIOD.

If anything, people ought to be suing the schools and the politicians for failing to secure their children in these "gun free zones". Better yet, get your kids out of there altogether. Why anyone in this day and age would send their children to a public school is just beyond comprehension.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Further, the NRA said it would support the ATF reviewing its decision and restricting bump stocks and trigger cranks.

"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
Statement from the NRA after the Las Vegas shooting.

Just more proof the NRA is a communist front organization. They support infringing the second amendment protected rights of Americans, and always have.

[n david]

Aquila, I've asked several times on here, and I know you've read the question because you've posted responses ...

What is an assault weapon?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Aquila, I've asked several times on here, and I know you've read the question because you've posted responses ...

What is an assault weapon?

Assault weapons are things that look scary to liberals. 😨