Power Evangelism, according to Jesus

[Jermyn Davidson]

Esaias, if Jesus was guided to the woman at the well, it implies a certain lack of knowledge on the part of Jesus, in this situation.

So Jesus didn't know where He was going? No, He knew exactly where He was going.

So Jesus didn't know why He was going to Samaria? If Jesus is the, I AM, then surely He would know why He went where He went.

That same logic applies as to whether or not He knew the woman before He met her.

He created her!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Esaias, if Jesus was guided to the woman at the well, it implies a certain lack of knowledge on the part of Jesus, in this situation.

So Jesus didn't know where He was going? No, He knew exactly where He was going.

So Jesus didn't know why He was going to Samaria? If Jesus is the, I AM, then surely He would know why He went where He went.

That same logic applies as to whether or not He knew the woman before He met her.

He created her!

Then He could not have 'increased in wisdom' nor could He have not known the hour of the coming of the Son of Man.

Your Christology is definitely defective, and is not truly Oneness. It is also not trinitarian, or even Arian. EDIT: not sure where 'Socinian' came from, got my wires crossed. Sorry.

At least as far as Christ's knowledge and activities are concerned.

[Esaias]

Anyway, back to the subject of the thread.

Does anyone else have any constructive criticism to offer? Especially on the topic of style, word choice, phraseology? Or the arrangement and order of the information presented?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Apparently individuals who have left the One God movement to find pasture in Trinitarianville, really never understood One God theology? Well, I don't even think they understood any ology. Could be they were too busy getting upset with their surroundings? Having issues with correction coming over a pulpit, while thinking to themselves if they had a chance to get behind the pulpit they would really straighten some things out? While they themselves were into all kinds of mess behind closed doors, always seemingly going in and out of the church's revolving doors? Yet, still theology wasn't ever first and foremost, standing with hands raised with a bit of a sway to the music maybe was their main focus?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Esaias, if Jesus was guided to the woman at the well, it implies a certain lack of knowledge on the part of Jesus, in this situation.

So Jesus didn't know where He was going? No, He knew exactly where He was going.

So Jesus didn't know why He was going to Samaria? If Jesus is the, I AM, then surely He would know why He went where He went.

That same logic applies as to whether or not He knew the woman before He met her.

He created her!

Why aren't you answering my question about how your position holds if the following verse shows Jesus as a man lacked awareness of some things?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Then He could not have 'increased in wisdom' nor could He have not known the hour of the coming of the Son of Man.

Your Christology is definitely defective, and is not truly Oneness. It is also not trinitarian, or even Arian. EDIT: not sure where 'Socinian' came from, got my wires crossed. Sorry.

At least as far as Christ's knowledge and activities are concerned.

Okie dokie.

You leave the opportunity open for Jesus Christ, Son of God, to not know who He was going to meet at the well when He clearly stated that He had to go to Samaria.

Your theology presents a man who was anointed but not the Almighty God, in this situation.

Your theology presents a mere, "man that has told me everything I've ever done" when in this situation, He was not operating as an anointed man, but as God.

I disagree with you.

So how do you determine when Jesus is acting as the Son of God, when Jesus is acting as an anointed man, and when He is acting as a normal man?

If I am wrong in my Oneness presumptions, it might be because I have forgotten.

However, I do know what I can remember and I recognize when something doesn't sound right.

*Jesus knew He had to go to Samaria because as God, He knew He had to minister to that woman.

*Jesus knew who He was going to meet in Samaria before He met her.

*Jesus knew all about the woman at the well not because He was operating in one of the gifts of the Spirit, but because He is God.

*Paragraph I and your subsequent posts appear to challenge one or more of the three points above.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why aren't you answering my question about how your position holds if the following verse shows Jesus as a man lacked awareness of some things?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Because I just realized that you want me to answer this question.

This is one of the verses that helped me to realize that Jesus Christ, Son of God, could not be the Father.

As I previously read this verse, it sounded to me as if this verse was not speaking of the man, but of the Son of God, as in Deity but I realize at 12:56am that my thinking was flawed concerning this scripture.

This scripture is speaking of human side of Jesus Christ.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Apparently individuals who have left the One God movement to find pasture in Trinitarianville, really never understood One God theology? Well, I don't even think they understood any ology. Could be they were too busy getting upset with their surroundings? Having issues with correction coming over a pulpit, while thinking to themselves if they had a chance to get behind the pulpit they would really straighten some things out? While they themselves were into all kinds of mess behind closed doors, always seemingly going in and out of the church's revolving doors? Yet, still theology wasn't ever first and foremost, standing with hands raised with a bit of a sway to the music maybe was their main focus?

God bless you sir.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Okie dokie.

You leave the opportunity open for Jesus Christ, Son of God, to not know who He was going to meet at the well when He clearly stated that He had to go to Samaria.

Just because He knew he had to go to Samaria does not mean He knew everything about the woman. He may have, He may not have. That statement does not say either way.

Your theology presents a man who was anointed but not the Almighty God, in this situation.

Not it does not. Oneness recognizes that God was manifest in flesh and the humanity in that manifestation DID NOT KNOW SOME THINGS.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

At the same time His person as Deity knew all.

Your theology presents a mere, "man that has told me everything I've ever done" when in this situation, He was not operating as an anointed man, but as God.

No he was not operating as God. This is a man operating in the gifts of the Spirit.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

We could not do the things He did if He was only operating as God. He lived an example of how we must rely on Deity to be used of God. He fasted and prayed. Does God need to do that? Why did He do that?

I disagree with you.

So how do you determine when Jesus is acting as the Son of God, when Jesus is acting as an anointed man, and when He is acting as a normal man?

Compare what he did with the things the bible says we can do.

If I am wrong in my Oneness presumptions, it might be because I have forgotten.

However, I do know what I can remember and I recognize when something doesn't sound right.

If you have always been wrong about a concept you would not know what sounds proper. Just saying. Not trying to insult anyone here.

*Jesus knew He had to go to Samaria because as God, He knew He had to minister to that woman.

The bible does not indicate He knew anything more than He had to go to Samaria. It's adding to the word to say otherwise. He MAY HAVE known of the woman beforehand. We just are told He knew he had to go to Samaria.

*Jesus knew who He was going to meet in Samaria before He met her.

You do not have proof of that. Again, it may be the case, but the bible does not say.

*Jesus knew all about the woman at the well not because He was operating in one of the gifts of the Spirit, but because He is God.

Again we are not told he knew anything more than that he had to go to Samaria. You're saying the same thing over and over, and the same logic refutes your claim/

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Because I just realized that you want me to answer this question.

This is one of the verses that helped me to realize that Jesus Christ, Son of God, could not be the Father.

Thanks for your response.

What did you just say there? What do you mean Jesus Christ the Son of God could not be the Father? It sounds like you are not oneness. Please clarify.

Let Me Tell You Who Jesus Is
1st
Well the Jews were talking to Jesus and they said Just who are you
You claim to be the Christ
yet your greater than Abraham too
Jesus said everything that you say is true
Im greater than Abraham
But before there was an abraham I am the Great I am
2nd
Many People today they use his name
But its usually in Vain
No matter how hes helped them time and time again
But one of these days every tongue shall confess
And every knee shall bow
Lets not wait until that day lets Praise the Lord right now
3rd
Many People today love Jesus
But they dont know who he is
They put him 2nd place in the Godhead
Theyve got some strange ideas
But if Jesus Christ Created everything has all power Im asking you
If Jesus Christ is Lord of Lord
How can he be number 2
Chorus
Let me tell ya who Jesus is
Hes the rock of all ages
Hes the alpha and the Omega
Hes the Heavenly father
Hes the beginning and the end
Much more than this my friend
Hes the son of man , hes coming back again
Bridge)
I know Jesus is the Father.
I know Jesus is the Son.
I know Jesus is the Holy Ghost
and all these three are One.

That is not bible but a song, whether it's right or wrong.

So, please answer my question, how does your view stand if the bible says the Son of God did not know the hour of His coming?