Wage dropping in the USA - Page 4

shazeep · #31 08-12-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Nope, the best way is to do away with minimum wages.

No more mandate and inflated minimum wages, let the jobs pay what the market place says they are truly worth.

death to the minimum wage.

it is de facto hugely eroded anyway, i know lots of people making other, under the table arrangements for any work. the 97 million or whatever not in the workforce are largely all doing something.

FlamingZword · #32 08-13-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

it is de facto hugely eroded anyway, i know lots of people making other, under the table arrangements for any work. the 97 million or whatever not in the workforce are largely all doing something.

That explains all those people begging by the side of the Freeway exits.

jfrog · #33 08-13-2016, 04:34 AM

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I actually have and it would be great consequences.

Do away with the 40 hour workweek as well? No more overtime pay?

Jito463 · #34 08-13-2016, 07:46 AM

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Do away with the 40 hour workweek as well? No more overtime pay?

Yes, get the government out of my relationship with my employer. Let the free market dictate what is and is not acceptable.

Do you realize that - in effect - the government has become our union negotiator with our employers? We're in a union, and we never asked to be.

At my job, there's times I'd like to stay late and get some extra work done after hours. I have to be mindful of how late I stay, though, because otherwise I'd rack up too much OT, and the store I work for is a small one that can't afford a huge amount of OT.

And what if I don't want to work just 40 hours a week? What if I want to put in 60 hours week? What if I'm a single guy, with a lot of time on my hands, and I want to put in 70-80 hours a week? I can't, because the government dictates that I can't.

So, my answer to you, would be a definitive and resounding 'YES!'.

Jito463 · #35 08-13-2016, 07:48 AM

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Do away with the 40 hour workweek as well? No more overtime pay?

I also note, that you never responded to my post, earlier.

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I was sorely disappointed in my fellow Nebraskans two years ago, when they voted to increase the minimum wage above the national mandate, to $9/hr. NE - while a heavily taxed state - is not a very high 'cost of living' state. There was literally no reason to do it, but people voted for it anyway, presumably because it made them feel good about themselves.

All the minimum wage ever does, is cost businesses more, which leads to higher costs and most likely a reduced workforce (it's almost certain that some people will have to be fired, in order to pay for the ones who still remain). And while there may be a short-term benefit to the workers, over the long term, they're just going to find themselves in the exact same boat, because everyone's had to raise their prices to keep up with the wage hike.

It's a band-aid solution at best, a placebo that makes people think they're getting better, but ultimately does nothing at all. The better solution, would be to encourage people to seek out a trade or skill that they could learn, which would help them to get a better paying job. Instead, people are lulled into thinking they can live off these minimum wage jobs for the rest of their life.

The minimum wage creates a virtual slave labor market.

Why do I say that? Because the Democrats know that most of these people will also be living off of Goobermint welfare. And who are they going to vote for, when election time rolls around? The one who promises to give them more "free stuff" from the Goobermint.

Pre-Civil War days, the Democrats used to keep slaves to tend their fields. Now they keep slaves to tend their election ballots.

shazeep · #36 08-13-2016, 08:00 AM

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That explains all those people begging by the side of the Freeway exits.

it does, actually, even though they are prolly just the 10%, or less, of that 97 mil. That's still a lot of people. But you suggest all 97 mil are begging by the side of the road? or are you just channeling EB now?

shazeep · #37 08-13-2016, 08:07 AM

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Yes, get the government out of my relationship with my employer. Let the free market dictate what is and is not acceptable.

i would suggest that this market is thriving right now--under a different definition, of course--and you do not need the Gov to do anything for you that you cannot already do for yourself, except seek other employment on those terms, and avail yourself of those markets, which are the only moral ones.

jfrog · #38 08-13-2016, 08:15 AM

Does anyone remember the history of why workers laws were passed?

shazeep · #39 08-13-2016, 08:19 AM

not to be overbearing here, but if the same conditions, essentially, now obtain for us with those laws as we had without, then you might be having the wrong argument? Laws are always made for ostensibly good reasons, huh.

Jito463 · #40 08-13-2016, 08:33 AM

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Does anyone remember the history of why workers laws were passed?

Yes. I also recall why labor unions were formed. Under these laws from the government, though, there's literally no reason for labor unions to exist. The government has forced and co-opted us into one that they negotiated, and we have no say in the matter.

I'd be fine with it, if the law allowed individuals and employers to form their own agreement (outside of those laws), I'm not fine with it dictating what my employer and I can negotiate, in terms of wage, hours and OT compensation.

Freedom is all about personal responsibility. Unfortunately, too many in the country do not want personal responsibility, they want the Goobermint to hold their hands, powder their backsides and put their diaper on them.