Frontline on PBS: ISIS Capturing/Raping Women

[shazeep]

prolly some of both--but the point might be missed that the US admits to creating and funding ISIS, this is not even credibly debated. The truth may be found in the preponderance of links--and btw google is hardly the best engine for this now, one most often needs to go to page 2 or 3, or 4 there; but the point is that youtube can provide a witness of government wonks admitting to supporting elements of ISIS. And even if they denied it, their weapons and equipment speak for themselves.

[shazeep]

Not least are the admissions by senior US officials that key allies support the extremist group. In September 2014 General Martin Dempsey, head of the US military, told a Congressional hearing ‘I know major Arab allies who fund [ ISIS ]‘. Senator Lindsey Graham, of Armed Services Committee, responded with a justification, ‘They fund them because the Free Syrian Army couldn’t fight [Syrian President] Assad, they were trying to beat Assad’.

The next month, US Vice President Joe Biden went a step further, explaining that Turkey, Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia ‘were so determined to take down Assad … they poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad … [including] al Nusra and al Qaeda and extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world … [and then] this outfit called ISIL’. Biden’s admissions sought to exempt the US from this operation, as though Washington were innocent of sustained operations carried out by its key allies. That is simply not credible.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rel...idence/5435405

[shazeep]

With ‘major Arab allies’ backing ISIS and substantial collaboration between US-armed ‘moderate rebels’ and ISIS, it is not such a logical stretch to suppose that the US and ‘coalition’ flights to ISIS areas (supposedly to ‘degrade’ the extremists) might have become covert supply lines. That is precisely what senior Iraqi sources began saying, in late 2014 and early 2015.

For example, as reported by both Iraqi and Iranian media, Iraqi MP Majid al-Ghraoui said in January that ‘an American aircraft dropped a load of weapons and equipment to the ISIS group militants at the area of al-Dour in the province of Salahuddin’. Photos were published of ISIS retrieving the weapons. The US admitted the seizure but said this was a ‘mistake’. same source

wake up, man. All of these claims can be verified.

[shazeep]

There are extraordinary elements in the present US policy in Iraq and Syria that are attracting surprisingly little attention. In Iraq, the US is carrying out air strikes and sending in advisers and trainers to help beat back the advance of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (better known as ISIS) on the Kurdish capital, Erbil. The US would presumably do the same if ISIS surrounds or attacks Baghdad. But in Syria, Washington's policy is the exact opposite: there the main opponent of ISIS is the Syrian government...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...aq-syria-assad


How much more proof of a house divided do you need? I'd like to suggest that you get to a point where you are able to entertain these thoughts without accepting them first--maybe they're true, maybe they aren't. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter; like that. I don't think America is evil; but i am convinced that it has been subjugated, just as our founding fathers predicted, and that the masters are largely faceless.

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rel...idence/5435405

Again, this is from a website which accepts articles from anyone. This particular article was written by "Professor" Tim Anderson. I used your top notch investigation technique by submitting a Google search for this name and found nothing, other than articles relating back to this blog.

Call me Professor David and that will be as real as this alleged Professor Anderson.

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

wake up, man. All of these claims can be verified.

By whom, self proclaimed "Professors?"

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

prolly some of both--but the point might be missed that the US admits to creating and funding ISIS, this is not even credibly debated.

Please post the source, not from a blog or fake professor... But an actual news or govt org which cites the official who "admits" to creating isis.

[shazeep]

whether he is a fake or not, the info can be researched, by taking the suspected terms and searching them. I admit to not spending a lot of time in this area, as it just means "world" to me, and i am not that interested. And, as you demonstrate, none of my "truth" would be adequate for you. I spent enough time to satisfy myself, which i did by assuming the US position, as they are at odds to mine, and working forward. "Fakes" are quickly ferreted out this way, as opposed to pen-names, etc, which are not necessarily "fakes." "Satoshi Nakamoto" is fake, but bitcoin is real.

Of course that is a more intensive method, and it is much easier to assume a pov and work backward, "proving" it. All i can say is believe me, i am much more predisposed to want to believe that we are still the good guys; and i think most people in mid-level government are--they are just directed by those who operate in secret.

[n david]

As of yet, you've presented no factual evidence or proof of your claims. Other than from tabloid sites.

And you spend a lot of time on this, don't kid yourself. You claim to not be interested in the "world" but the amount of time you spend on AFF posting memes and Google searches, along with other posts stating your opinions, proves otherwise.

[shazeep]

i think our founding fathers expressed the dangers we as a country would face quite plainly, and direct quotes from the presidents who implemented the steps that enslaved us verify them. You either understand that a secret cabal runs the world, or you pass this off as conspiracy theories; and either perspective will then color how you perceive everything else. Would quotes from presidents satisfy you?