Saudi Arabia killing Christians

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do you agree that man should be put to death for what he did?

It is not in the Quran that this man be put to death

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it is the law. Do you believe that he should not? i for one am glad that i do not need to have an opinion here.

Aren't you against the death penalty here in the US?

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, who am i to say? it was ok in the OT. It is apparently the will of the KSA people; it is a law there. So, the question might be restated "is it ok to break the law knowingly, and live?"

As though the people of Saudi Arabia have any voice in the matter, especially the women. It's the law there because a bunch of men made it the law there, NOT because it's the "will of the KSA people."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

Aren't you against the death penalty here in the US?

i am against it, period, yes.

Originally Posted by n david

As though the people of Saudi Arabia have any voice in the matter, especially the women. It's the law there because a bunch of men made it the law there, NOT because it's the "will of the KSA people."

hmm, this to me ignores that it is the people who rise up, and throw down oppressors; or vote with their feet, for that matter. Acquiescing = agreeing, in this example, imo.

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i am against it, period, yes.

Yet you shrug at SA's DP laws and, albeit rare, use of it. The bar here in the US is set high in order to get the DP -- you have to kill someone, and then a jury of free citizens have to agree that the offense was so bad it warrants the death penalty. The US doesn't order the DP over silly stuff like SA did here. I'm surprised that a person who is against it period, would shrug and post, "it is the law."

Again, the DP rarely enforced due to international pressure.

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm, this to me ignores that it is the people who rise up, and throw down oppressors; or vote with their feet, for that matter. Acquiescing = agreeing, in this example, imo.

It is rare that people in countries like SA actually rise up against their oppressors. How many countries, especially muslim countries, have allowed any kind of uprising?

When the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is writing about human rights abuses in SA, you know there's something wrong!

"We expect that the authorities of the Kingdom will undertake all necessary measures to settle the situation in its eastern regions, to avoid conflict, including confrontation on interconfessional basis, and to ensure the observance of conventional human rights, including the right for freedom of expression of opinion, peaceful demonstrations and freedom of associations, as it is prescribed by the law."

12 July, 2012, K.K. Dolgov, representative Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

Yet you shrug at SA's DP laws and, albeit rare, use of it. The bar here in the US is set high in order to get the DP -- you have to kill someone, and then a jury of free citizens have to agree that the offense was so bad it warrants the death penalty. The US doesn't order the DP over silly stuff like SA did here. I'm surprised that a person who is against it period, would shrug and post, "it is the law."

Again, the DP rarely enforced due to international pressure.


It is rare that people in countries like SA actually rise up against their oppressors. How many countries, especially muslim countries, have allowed any kind of uprising?

When the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is writing about human rights abuses in SA, you know there's something wrong!



12 July, 2012, K.K. Dolgov, representative Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Saudis don't give a hoot about international pressure.

They execute people all the time. Usually for murder, or terrorism, occasionally for drug smuggling.

I have not heard of an execution for apostasy (here). Again, this penalty is not in the Quran. Which is why some Muslim countries have it, and some do not.

Why someone would do what this guy did then post a video of it puzzles me. He's grown, he knew what he was doing. Case of Darwanism? Suicide? Either way he will get a chance to repent. If I were in his shoes, I would be pretty penitent.

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

vote with their feet, for that matter.

SA is a monarchy, not democracy. There are no votes.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The Saudis don't give a hoot about international pressure.

It appears international pressure helped ease the punishment for Raif Badawi. He was supposed to receive 1,000 lashes for criticising the "religious establishment," yet only received 50.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

They execute people all the time. Usually for murder, or terrorism, occasionally for drug smuggling.

I have not heard of an execution for apostasy (here). Again, this penalty is not in the Quran. Which is why some Muslim countries have it, and some do not.

Right. Everything I've read says while these kind of sentences are not rare, the actual executions are.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Why someone would do what this guy did then post a video of it puzzles me. He's grown, he knew what he was doing. Case of Darwanism? Suicide? Either way he will get a chance to repent. If I were in his shoes, I would be pretty penitent.

Perhaps he was doing it as a protest. I would assume he knows the penalty for doing what he did, so you would think there was a reason for doing it. Whether out of protest or due to suicidal wishes.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

It appears international pressure helped ease the punishment for Raif Badawi. He was supposed to receive 1,000 lashes for criticising the "religious establishment," yet only received 50.


Right. Everything I've read says while these kind of sentences are not rare, the actual executions are.


Perhaps he was doing it as a protest. I would assume he knows the penalty for doing what he did, so you would think there was a reason for doing it. Whether out of protest or due to suicidal wishes.

I attribute the easing of that kid's sentence to a jillion tweets from young Saudis who disagreed with it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The Saudis don't give a hoot about international pressure.

They execute people all the time. Usually for murder, or terrorism, occasionally for drug smuggling.

I have not heard of an execution for apostasy (here). Again, this penalty is not in the Quran. Which is why some Muslim countries have it, and some do not.

Why someone would do what this guy did then post a video of it puzzles me. He's grown, he knew what he was doing. Case of Darwanism? Suicide? Either way he will get a chance to repent. If I were in his shoes, I would be pretty penitent.

You would be? Because you are alarmed you would be killed for tearing up your book? Does that mean you don't get your 70 virgins if you die? Oh that's right, you have to be a martyr to have sex all day after you die. Great incentive.

Fortunately, being in our current century, I could burn my Bible and not be thinking suicide. Come into the century, embrace it.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

Yet you shrug at SA's DP laws and, albeit rare, use of it. I'm surprised that a person who is against it period, would shrug and post, "it is the law."

NOT MY CIRCUS, NOT MY MONKEYS. oops, or, why grab a strange dog by the ears? We live in the US, why not talk about TX executing the handicapped?

Originally Posted by n david

It is rare that people in countries like SA actually rise up against their oppressors. How many countries, especially muslim countries, have allowed any kind of uprising?

hmm, seems like they are all in uproar at the moment? When the whole nation rises, the country falls; and usually not until then, i guess. That is not God's way, anyway. All is vanity.

Originally Posted by n david

When the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is writing about human rights abuses in SA, you know there's something wrong!

yet we more or less ignore the HR abuses here, to comment upon those a half-world away. Plenty of people with impressive initials after their names writing about them, too.

Let's talk some more about the world, if that's where our focus is.