4 Reasons Apostolics Shouldn't Protest

[shazeep]

well, again i might ask "how do you know?" I am willing to bet that 99% of those who voted for the O would define themselves as "Christians;" and Scripture gives pretty good evidence that God judges a nation based upon those who are called by His Name, and the rest, the "waters," if you will, are not even counted. Also, it seems kind of disingenuous--if one considers themselves a "patriot," anyway--to disavow their leader. Again, just lobbing grenades here; there is also a sense in which i understand and even agree with you.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, again i might ask "how do you know?" I am willing to bet that 99% of those who voted for the O would define themselves as "Christians;" and Scripture gives pretty good evidence that God judges a nation based upon those who are called by His Name, and the rest, the "waters," if you will, are not even counted. Also, it seems kind of disingenuous--if one considers themselves a "patriot," anyway--to disavow their leader. Again, just lobbing grenades here; there is also a sense in which i understand and even agree with you.

Our loyalty is not to "the leader", but to the Constitution.

[shazeep]

Well, that amounts to an artifice, it seems to me, if the elected leader administers the Connie. I know it is uncomfortable to contemplate--or at least it was for me--but you cannot serve two masters. Understand why words like "loyalty, allegiance, patriotism" are drummed into us from age zero, but school kids spend about 2 hours, total, if that, studying the Connie; and of course prayer is now illegal.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, that amounts to an artifice, it seems to me, if the elected leader administers the Connie. I know it is uncomfortable to contemplate--or at least it was for me--but you cannot serve two masters. Understand why words like "loyalty, allegiance, patriotism" are drummed into us from age zero, but school kids spend about 2 hours, total, if that, studying the Connie; and of course prayer is now illegal.

So then cut Romans 13 out of your bible.

[shazeep]

Well, i can remain a subject to the leaders, and even pray for them, and still understand Romans 13 in the context of 1Sam8. And still recognize that human government is not God's plan for a believer. At any rate, i take Rom 13 in context, and obey just laws--but not "to a fault." None of these require my allegiance, nor my loyalty.

I'm curious, just as a thought experiment; whom would one justly obey if some UN rep came to them and required a more moral action that went against their country's law? Regardless of the available dodges there, it can easily be argued that they are a higher "leader."

And really, how far down this road must anyone go to see that they are now fully "in the world?" How much more "in the world" can one get? I mean, you're right below "running for office" at that point. Don't get me wrong--if this were even 100 years ago, Connie still more or less valid, my answers might be different--to my shame, actually.