The World Doesn't Buy Your Explanations

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Uhm, i am against the anti-TV position. I think tv1a did a silly thing.


and if there was any witness what so ever here, and IF he actually did as he said, he killed his witness.

good job tvguy. you just made the job of the rest of us more difficult.

Yep.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I think that it could be generally agreed that they are fully aware of our inconsistencies and that there is no big secret.

Yes, but when a member of a church states their disagreements and dissatisfaction with a church (and presumably its belief system) to an unbeliever, it makes that person appear inconsistent and ridiculous, because the belong to a church whose beliefs they don't even appreciate, agree with, or support. SO, then that person is the one who has lost credibility, rather than just the larger structure. Good luck convincing that sinner that you have anything to offer, if you appear to be unconvinced.

Salesmanship 101: You must believe in your own product.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes, but when a member of a church states their disagreements and dissatisfaction with a church (and presumably its belief system) to an unbeliever, it makes that person appear inconsistent and ridiculous, because the belong to a church whose beliefs they don't even appreciate, agree with, or support. SO, then that person is the one who has lost credibility, rather than just the larger structure. Good luck convincing that sinner that you have anything to offer, if you appear to be unconvinced.

Salesmanship 101: You must believe in your own product.

Well each person has their own set of experiences but I have found that I am listened to by those in the world when they see me express an honest representation of truth rather than when they can see when I am towing some company line.

I do believe in my product very strongly and they tend to have a better chance to believe in my product when they see that I no longer stand behind failed slogans of the past.

When they see that I am fully open & honest about my product (even some bad calls the company made in the past) then they are more apt to believe me when I talk to them about it.

When they see me avoid or deny things they know to be inconsistent about the product then they just roll their eyes knowing that I am just another salesman trying to peddle my wares.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

When they see me avoid or deny things they know to be inconsistent about the product then they just roll their eyes knowing that I am just another salesman.

yep

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why would you discuss something like that with rank sinners any way?

Duh.

Yeah it would be way better to wait until they start paying tithes and then tell them.

Ya know where going to keep accepting your money but as far as membership or participation you just don't line up.

[StillStanding]

I think most people would agree that BOTH TV and the internet can be harmful if used to the extreme.

That being said, how many families and marriages that you know of have been torn apart because of TV? How many have been torn apart because of the internet? It's a slam dunk!

It all comes down to how you choose to use these mediums.

If you're trying to put a hedge of protection around your family, get rid of both!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Yeah it would be way better to wait until they start paying tithes and then tell them.

Ya know where going to keep accepting your money but as far as membership or participation you just don't line up.

Well, ya know, Kutless, in some churches, they would never be informed of the shortcomings of the organization that has little or nothing to do with them, anyway.

What is the point of sharing doctrinal differences between ministers with unbelievers? I just don't get it.

Ya'll think this is about "trapping people"...I think that's Cuh-Razy...it's about winning people to Christ without putting stupid, unnecessary, religious stumbling blocks in their way.

I mean, while we're at it, do we also have to inform them of the Divine Flesh debates? The issues with Preterism? How that some people wear cap sleeves, and other preachers think you'll burn in hell for wearing sleeves that short? That some folks think you can trim your hair, and others think it must be uncut, but most agree it should be long (on a woman)?

These issues don't have anything to do with our local church, and more importantly, to converting someone. So why would I discredit myself or the church I belong to by verbally expressing the problems the organization our church is affiliated with to someone who will not understand, and will probably not want anything to do with it then, by association?

P.S. Any person who tries to win new converts so they can have more "tithes" needs a serious dose of the Holy Ghost. I really don't know any ministers who are like that. Sorry you do.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, ya know, Kutless, in some churches, they would never be informed of the shortcomings of the organization that has little or nothing to do with them, anyway.

What is the point of sharing doctrinal differences between ministers with unbelievers? I just don't get it.

Ya'll think this is about "trapping people"...I think that's Cuh-Razy...it's about winning people to Christ without putting stupid, unnecessary, religious stumbling blocks in their way.

I mean, while we're at it, do we also have to inform them of the Divine Flesh debates? The issues with Preterism? How that some people wear cap sleeves, and other preachers think you'll burn in hell for wearing sleeves that short? That some folks think you can trim your hair, and others think it must be uncut, but most agree it should be long (on a woman)?

These issues don't have anything to do with our local church, and more importantly, to converting someone. So why would I discredit myself or the church I belong to by verbally expressing the problems the organization our church is affiliated with to someone who will not understand, and will probably not want anything to do with it then, by association?

P.S. Any person who tries to win new converts so they can have more "tithes" needs a serious dose of the Holy Ghost. I really don't know any ministers who are like that. Sorry you do.

I don't, just blowing off. Good post. I'm just giving PP a hard time. He loves me.

I agree there are certain things like preterism and deep water stuff that shouldn't be discussed. As far as all the inconsistencies that you speak of, they will come to know them on their own I guess.

At my former church local I did get to a place where I felt uncomfortable inviting people to church....talk about CUH-RAZEEE!

[Steve Epley]

I can hear the conversation "the church I go to is nuts they do not allow television but allow the internet what do you think?"

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, ya know, Kutless, in some churches, they would never be informed of the shortcomings of the organization that has little or nothing to do with them, anyway.

What is the point of sharing doctrinal differences between ministers with unbelievers? I just don't get it.

Ya'll think this is about "trapping people"...I think that's Cuh-Razy...it's about winning people to Christ without putting stupid, unnecessary, religious stumbling blocks in their way.

I mean, while we're at it, do we also have to inform them of the Divine Flesh debates? The issues with Preterism? How that some people wear cap sleeves, and other preachers think you'll burn in hell for wearing sleeves that short? That some folks think you can trim your hair, and others think it must be uncut, but most agree it should be long (on a woman)?

These issues don't have anything to do with our local church, and more importantly, to converting someone. So why would I discredit myself or the church I belong to by verbally expressing the problems the organization our church is affiliated with to someone who will not understand, and will probably not want anything to do with it then, by association?

P.S. Any person who tries to win new converts so they can have more "tithes" needs a serious dose of the Holy Ghost. I really don't know any ministers who are like that. Sorry you do.

Somebody hold my mule while I shout.

This is my feeling exactly.