1. You said: "It is important for us as believers to realize that healing was provided for us on the very same basis as forgiveness of sins and salvation."
2. You said your track record on healing is 60-70%.
3. You think you have a 100% "track record" on your personal salvation.
Nothing you said fixes the problem. Everything you said about healing that attempts to explain why it doesn't always happen could be applied to salvation as well.
You said the teaching on salvation is clear. If it's clear, then why isn't there agreement on what it is? Even the OPs here at AFF argue about it all the time.
You talk about the "human element" getting in the way of healing. But it doesn't "get in the way" of salvation?!
When God "says no" to a healing request, he presumably has a good reason, right? What makes you so sure he won't have a good reason for saying no to you on judgement day?
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Your problem stems from a simple lack of faith in the truth of God's Word. Your very questions betray you.
Matt 22:29 Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God.
I will merely tell you what I tell my students. Read the Bible. Read it slowly. Read every word. Read it as if you are seeing it for the very first time. Then act like you believe that it is true and means what it says. When you come to something you don't like, don't pretend that its not there. Follow that simple advice and your questions will answer themselves.
Last edited by larrylyates; 04-08-2013 at 08:48 PM.
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Does the Virgin Mary have anything to do with spiritual/physical healing?
Mary was just as human as you or I. She needed Salvation just as we do. She plays no part in our Salvation or healing. To believe otherwise is idolatry and false worship!
Mary was just as human as you or I. She needed Salvation just as we do. She plays no part in our Salvation or healing. To believe otherwise is idolatry and false worship!
Larry my friend one of the few things we agree.
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Are there people who think they know God's voice, but don't?
Are there people who think they are saved, but are not?
Are there people who misunderstood the Bible's instructions for salvation?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Are there people who think they know God's voice, but don't?
Are there people who think they are saved, but are not?
Are there people who misunderstood the Bible's instructions for salvation?
Depends on who you ask.
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
Timmy, if I didn't know you better, I would think you were a 6-year-old with question after question after question after question after question after question......
Answers seem to make no difference, you just keep asking question after question after question after question....
Timmy, if I didn't know you better, I would think you were a 6-year-old with question after question after question after question after question after question......
Answers seem to make no difference, you just keep asking question after question after question after question....
Are you happy with the doctor's answers?!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Christ is the only Great Physician in my way of thinking. We can put the Lord Jesus in a box, and think we've got it all figured out, lock, stock and barrel, but Jesus doesn't live in those kind of boundaries.
We can look to human intellect and human reasoning as much we want to, but in the end, Jesus has the final say on all things, and HE can break His own rules at any time. I always keep that in mind when dealing with these kind of issues.
Christ is the only Great Physician in my way of thinking. We can put the Lord Jesus in a box, and think we've got it all figured out, lock, stock and barrel, but Jesus doesn't live in those kind of boundaries.
We can look to human intellect and human reasoning as much we want to, but in the end, Jesus has the final say on all things, and HE can break His own rules at any time. I always keep that in mind when dealing with these kind of issues.
That's cool. I guess you disagree with Dr. Yates, then. He knows that he knows that he knows. Apparently.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
That's cool. I guess you disagree with Dr. Yates, then. He knows that he knows that he knows. Apparently.
You ask:
Are there people who think they know God's voice, but don't?
Are there people who think they are saved, but are not?
Are there people who misunderstood the Bible's instructions for salvation?
Of course there are! The question is, are you one of them? You don't have to be. You can KNOW Him, Timmy. He is faithful and true. Don't be like the man in I Timothy 6:4, 5-- who: has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth,
I said to you before and I'll repeat it hear:
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
It's not about those "other people" who think they hear God's voice but don't. It's not about those who "think they are saved, but aren't and it's not about those people who "misunderstand."
It's all about you Timmy! He died for YOU! His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. They trust in Him because they know their Shepherd. They KNOW they have eternal life.
Are you one of His sheep Timmy? Do you hear His voice?
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