Is it hypocritical to wear skirts to church all the time if you really don't believe you must wear a skirt? Well, if you are doing so to convince others that you always wear skirts then yes!!!
Technically, yes. But not convincing others that you always wear skirts may be asking for more trouble than you'd care to deal with, in some cases. Hypocrisy may be used in self-defense!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Honestly, if you are going to make a UPC church your home church, and you have a teenage daughter, you may want to think about somewhat adopting the standards to blend in with the church.
Many in the church will perceive you as "other" if you do not look like them.
But, I would not force them on your daughter, she must decide from her heart over time.
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. ~Tolkien
Refusing to sit under the false gospel and false doctrine of false teachers is not "forsaking the Assembly"
Honestly, the "standards" of dresses for women, make up, and jewelry is based on scripture interpretation. Right or wrong is according to one's point of view. My opinion is to study the scripture for yourself. God looks on our hearts and knows our intentions, no matter what others think.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
How would you feel if a man you work with wore a skirt and blouse? Or your Pastor? Or Deacon?
Would you not question their spiritual position, or even their moral position? I live in a state where a good 10% of the population are LGB, if not more. I have seen it creep into Churches (all churches). Why would you not want to draw the line somewhere?
Does legalism and standards save you. That is a big emphatic NO!
I believe any women that attempts to dress or act like a man, is cross-dressing; which is an Abomination unto the LORD. I think we have gone over this before. There are certain things that have un-clean spirits behind the acts. Drinking, Dancing, etc. Are the acts it self sinful?
I could be wrong but you appear to be insinuating that women who wear pants look masculine. My wife looks very feminine in her jeans and other pants. You would never confuse her with a man and you would never put on her pants and blouse as "man's apparel" because you would definitely look like you had on women's clothes!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I could be wrong but you appear to be insinuating that women who wear pants look masculine. My wife looks very feminine in her jeans and other pants. You would never confuse her with a man and you would never put on her pants and blouse as "man's apparel" because you would definitely look like you had on women's clothes!
Hehe... Right, I'm not exactly put on a pair of overalls here. And I don't think my hubby would be caught dead in my silky slacks and sweater ... I find that I dress more as the WEATHER dictates. If its cold, I'm wearing as many layers as I can. I don't want to wear a skirt and have cold wind blowing!
In biblical times no one wore pants- does this make everyone wrong then? Of course not, it's just society's idea put upon women as a standard from the Victorian age! Be lucky that men arent supposed to still wear wigs. Was that considered cross dressing in its day? No- it was society's dictated fashion once again. Cross dressing is only in the people of the time and the personal standards placed upon it. Has no bearing on salvational issues.
Brother Bernard put it this way - "It's about the Direction you are heading". Outward Holiness did not, does not, and will not save you. However, it is a great indicator of how God is working on your heart.
I know people who dress and look "the part", but are not holy on the inside (even if they have the Holy Ghost). Yet they're still accepted or at least "put up with". So I can see how many people look at "Outward Holiness" as salvation.
I know people who dress and look "the part", but are not holy on the inside (even if they have the Holy Ghost). Yet they're still accepted or at least "put up with". So I can see how many people look at "Outward Holiness" as salvation.
having the HG inside of us IS what makes us holy.
As far as standards go, unless you like being treated like an outsider and people wanting to pray you through all the time, you may as well go along with the program.
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. ~Tolkien
Refusing to sit under the false gospel and false doctrine of false teachers is not "forsaking the Assembly"
How would you feel if a man you work with wore a skirt and blouse? Or your Pastor? Or Deacon?
Would you not question their spiritual position, or even their moral position? I live in a state where a good 10% of the population are LGB, if not more. I have seen it creep into Churches (all churches). Why would you not want to draw the line somewhere?
Does legalism and standards save you. That is a big emphatic NO!
I believe any women that attempts to dress or act like a man, is cross-dressing; which is an Abomination unto the LORD. I think we have gone over this before. There are certain things that have un-clean spirits behind the acts. Drinking, Dancing, etc. Are the acts it self sinful?
Oh, Lord. Now you're bring into the conversation the LGB stuff? I only went as far as women wearing pants. Sorry, buddy, you live in CA, a place that's just weird in more ways than I care to count. There are plenty of women who wear pants everywhere that are as feminine as one could get without even remotely crossing into the LGB category. Your comparison is typical: extreme and very fitting for "the mother ship" you're so dearly hang on to...
I wasn't going to weigh in here nor have I read the whole thread.
But let's be fair here how can we take one scripture out of DEUT. 22 and use it for our purposes and leave the rest of verses in that chapter alone ?
Of course Christian men and woman are to be modest in dress,and live a lifestyle of submission to The Lordship of Christ.But how many men buy their pants from a women's department in a store ?
Also if we offend in one point of the law we break it all.
So what about everything in DEUT. 22 ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
I wasn't going to weigh in here nor have I read the whole thread.
But let's be fair here how can we take one scripture out of DEUT. 22 and use it for our purposes and leave the rest of verses in that chapter alone ?
Of course Christian men and woman are to be modest in dress,and live a lifestyle of submission to The Lordship of Christ.But how many men buy their pants from a women's department in a store ?
Also if we offend in one point of the law we break it all.
So what about everything in DEUT. 22 ?
Lets not get all crazy and demand consistancy you reprobate!
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