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Old 08-19-2011, 06:05 PM
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The first church my folks ever attended was a Bread of Life Church...spiritual communion...I will always be thankful for a baby sitter from that church that took us to church. In time God lead my folks to another church that washed feet and took communion. However if it had not been for a little baby sitter I probably would not even know Jesus today let alone be a missionary.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:13 PM
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Our church teaches that is goes along with communion. To me it is essential however I am not sitting on a judgment seat condemning others.
So are u saying that you believe it's essential but you won't proclaim it just incase your wrong?
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:50 PM
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Should the one doing the washing be girded with a towell?


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Old 08-19-2011, 07:12 PM
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If it is about servant-hood, humility, and no ruling class does the mere act impart these qualities? I don't know of any kingdom related function could compare to the missionary field. How could foot-washing stack up to these who are giving all?
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Okay I understand the servant hood for the one washing the feet but it's different for the ones that are getting their feet washed... I'm sorry to hear that it's just a ritual to people but to me after being baptized/cleansed from sin and walking in this dirty world, then I need foot washing services
Do you greet your brothers with a kiss? Paul commanded it. If we use good principles of biblical study we understand that this wasa middle eastern custom of greeting. Paul was not making a new commandment for all generations

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Old 08-19-2011, 08:16 PM
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So are u saying that you believe it's essential but you won't proclaim it just incase your wrong?
No I am not saying that...I am just saying I want to be merciful to those that see it different and hope to treated likewise...
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Re: Foot Washing

We used to do it back in the day, but we stopped due to the size of our church. I would imagine it would be rough to get 400-500 buckets/towels. I don't mind either way. There our other ways to express humility and servant-hood! We still do communion though.
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So are u saying that you believe it's essential but you won't proclaim it just incase your wrong?
or maybe she believes that it is biblical doctrine, but she doesn't care to be devisive?
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I believe what I believe however I refuse to become involved in endless debates...
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Re: Foot Washing

When the announcement was made from the pulpit that we are going to have a foot washing next Sunday did your heart leap within you for joy or did you start making plans to be out of town?

I’m amazed we were able to do away with brethren greeting brethren “with an holy kiss” (2 Cor. 13:12) and somehow we have been able to realize slavery is just wrong even though the bible seems to say it’s OK. Even giving Christians instructions on how to treat your slave’s

Have you ever stopped to think why Jesus washed his disciples feet? Could it be that they just had disgustingly dirty feet.

We learn from Genesis that the people of that day would set aside a place where a guest might wash his feet (Gen. 18:4 , 19:2 , 24:32 , 43:24) they would bring the traveler water. Their guests washed their own feet, much like your overnight guest might use your shower facilities.

I’ve known of churches where foot washing was performed to humble the saints, usually when the pastor thought the saints were getting a bit out of hand (not happy with his ministry) and what could snap them back in line quicker than washing the pastor’s feet.

Stop for a moment and realize it was the Master that washed the feet of the servants, not vice versa. Realize he did this solely for the purpose to teach them to serve others and that the greater should be a servant to the lesser.

To wash their feet was a handy thing to do as there was water available there and because the disciples walked on dirty dusty trails and streets, unless perhaps it had recently rained. Then they would have been walking thru mud. Don’t forget that oxen and mules walked these same paths and it was quite possible to step in some “exhaust pollution” of that days mode of transportation. He washed their feet as a humble act of kindness and service to them because their feet were dirty and it was “customary” 2000 years ago that water basins, towels be provided for your guests to wash their own feet. If you owned a slave you might even have had your slave wash the feet of your guests.

When’s the last time you went to a foot washing and didn’t wash your feet and put on clean socks and a pair of shoes you hoped didn’t produce foot odor before you left home. Seriously my feet aren’t dirty. But my shoes could use a good shining. My car got pretty dirty driving to church, could you wash that for me please.

I shared these thoughts, tongue in cheek, with my pastor a few months ago. Months later as we planned for a good Friday service, we decided to share in a viewing of Mel Gibson’s The Passion and then take communion together. I was happy to say yes when pastor asked if I would want to help in “washing the saints cars” that Friday afternoon before our Good Friday service. So from 1 to 4 pm we washed any ones car who stopped by the church.

That is how car washin’ became a “ritual” at New Life Church , that is if we do it again.

Do we really want to be apostolic in what we do? If we follow Christ’s example we would perform a service to our brother or sister that would actually be of service to them. Remember, the disciples had dirty feet that needed washing. What a wonderful act of kindness the Master blessed them with.

But my feet are clean.

So many today view foot washing as, well , just so weird , even Apostolic’s and when Apostolic’s think something is weird, well that’s just scary.

The term “random acts of kindness” got stuck in my mind from something I read some time ago.
Think how blessed someone will feel when you bestow a “help” (1 Cor. 12:28) upon them. Take your mower and go mow someone’s lawn. Load up your snow blower and go clean out someone’s driveway. Take someone dinner. Watch their kids so they can have a night out and I’m sure you can think of 20 more random acts of kindness (or helps) that you can bestow on someone, that would mean so much more to them than washing their feet, which hopefully in our day and age of indoor plumbing with baths and showers, are already clean.

But you say they can easily cut their own grass or shovel their own snow…. and you’d be right.
I can also wash my own feet.

If we would allow ourselves to think about what was being taught to the disciples when Christ washed their feet ……well I just think we may have missed Christ’s intent on this lesson if we think washing someone’s “clean” feet is what our Lord wanted us to be doing here in America in this century.

I think there is laughter in heaven when Christ looks down at as us Apostolic’s and sees and hears some of the many things we major on. I wonder, will He look at some us when we get to the throne and say, “you spent all your time preaching about WHAT?

I hope that I may see the day that we Apostolic’s might better discern the scriptures and come to a realization that some things were written for doctrinal purpose’s and other’s were just written as a history of things they did in their day and time. Like that Holy Kiss thing. Really brother, I love ya, but a handshake will do me just fine.

Some tell me that is wishful thinking. That most of us made up our minds (or had them made up for us) many years ago. To think that you can challenge Apostolic’s to take a look at the scripture again, or perhaps read a book (gasp) with an open mind and actually think something other than that which was hammered into our minds long ago. Well, I’ve been told I’m just dreaming! I did go “north” of Fifty about four years ago, so I guess that would make me an “old man’, so I am well qualified then to “dream dreams” as stated in Acts 2:17.

So I’ll dream of a church with people who truly love one another and do humble acts of service to others in their demonstration’s of that love. If you stop by my house with a dirty car, I’ll probably wash it for you. Need a ride somewhere, I’ll try to accommodate. Need your house painted? I’d be glad to help.

But really, my feet are clean and hopefully yours too!
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