.....Healing takes time. These people, these "victims" as you call them, are in the PROCESS of "gets over their anger and bitterness, seeks God to bind up their wounds and hurts, and looks for any positives that have helped them become a better person through their bad experience(s)....".....
Excellent!!! then you are well on your way.... from one survivor to another....
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
Excellent!!! then you are well on your way.... from one survivor to another....
Sigh....
I don't think you are getting what I am saying. But something good IS going to come out of all of this. Because I am vowing right now, that when I am through this, I will use my experience to help people to heal, and i will be patient with them, even if it takes years and year, I will remember what It was like for me, and how difficult it is, and I will NEVER EVER tell them "to get over it"
But when the person doing the abuse teaches your naive impressionable mind that the right to inflict such pain and abuse is given to them by God, and if you question that right you will go to hell, and if you leave to attend a different church, you will go to hell, well, its not that easy.
God has not authorized any preacher/pastor to "inflict such pain and abuse" on anyone.... although some would consider chastisement or correction to be one and the same.... you bring us a ring-dinger point.... pastors who use the ole "if you leave to attend a different church, you will go to hell" stance....
last time I checked the Word, they are God's sheep, not "our" sheep.... we are responsible for them as long as they are submitted to our fold.... amazing concept: there are multiple folds (local churchs) that are actually under the authority and direction of the Great Shepherd.... if a pastor is truly "abusing" their sheep, they have forfeited any God-given right to lead them.... true point to remember: true mistakes are accidental but can still hurt alot.... while true abuse is a willful and purposeful action.... distinquishing between the two is important....if you are a truly "abused" sheep, get out from the care of the hireling and find yourself a "real" sub-shepherd that is submitted and listening to the heartbeat of the "Great Shepherd"
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
God has not authorized any preacher/pastor to "inflict such pain and abuse" on anyone.... although some would consider chastisement or correction to be one and the same.... you bring us a ring-dinger point.... pastors who use the ole "if you leave to attend a different church, you will go to hell" stance....
last time I checked the Word, they are God's sheep, not "our" sheep.... we are responsible for them as long as they are submitted to our fold.... amazing concept: there are multiple folds (local churchs) that are actually under the authority and direction of the Great Shepherd.... if a pastor is truly "abusing" their sheep, they have forfeited any God-given right to lead them.... true point to remember: true mistakes are accidental but can still hurt alot.... while true abuse is a willful and purposeful action.... distinquishing between the two is important....if you are a truly "abused" sheep, get out from the care of the hireling and find yourself a "real" sub-shepherd that is submitted and listening to the heartbeat of the "Great Shepherd"
yep, that it is.... i'm of the personal opinion that trust is earned.... I personally wouldn't expect anyone to just give me their trust, but thats just me.... true character always reveals itself.... a true shepherd's heart will be revealed through his love and care....
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
More than a survivor! More than an overcomer! More than a conqueror!
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
theres a teaching series.... From a Victim to a Conqueror!
victim -> survivor -> overcomer -> conqueror
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
yep, that it is.... i'm of the personal opinion that trust is earned.... I personally wouldn't expect anyone to just give me their trust, but thats just me.... true character always reveals itself.... a true shepherd's heart will be revealed through his love and care....
You know my pastor. He's a nice guy. He's a pretty good pastor. He's never done anything to cause me to question his motives. Yeah, he's irritated me a time or two, (he is a man after all), but all in all we get along fairly well.
But when it comes to my spiritual walk, and making decisions there in. Nope, I wouldn't trust him. I might carefully consider his advice. But in the end, I would do what I thought was best. When it comes to that kind of situation, I always have to do what I think God is telling me to do, I don't think I will ever again be able to blindly submit to a mediator.
A survivor gets over their anger and bitterness, seeks God to bind up their wounds and hurts, and looks for any positives that have helped them become a better person through their bad experience(s)....
I was abused as a child in school, both mentally and physically. In those days, you didn't have the laws that are in place now to protect children, and I had nobody to turn to.
I had teachers that took the liberty my mother gave them to inflict pain on my person at every whim. The principal in 2nd grade took every opportunity to punish me and humiliate me, even spanking me in the lunchroom with everyone present. Teachers washed my mouth out with soap and would prevent me from using the bathroom, resulting in my wetting myself, then being humiliated for it.
Then there were the kids. I had no friends in grade school until I was in 8th grade, and then it was only because I was a bad kid. I hated everyone I had contact with, and if someone was nice to me, I made sure they realized the mistake they made.
My mom was sure I was headed for prison, but the hurt I was feeling inside numbed anything else I should have been feeling. I was a kid in serious trouble, but everyone just saw me as a rebellious, misbehaving, unruly child.
Those experiences turned me against furthering my education for many years, and here I am at almost 40, wishing I'd done this 20 years ago.
If only someone had reached out to me instead of pushing me aside for someone that was unreachable.......I wonder what kind of person I'd be today.
Of course, the above means I'm blaming everyone for how I turned out, right?
If only you knew.....
According to the stats, I should have 8 kids by 13 different fathers, be on welfare, drugs, homeless, and full of bitterness and hatred. But I had to turn those things over to God long ago, and with His help, I am where I am today......but I have oh so far to go.
So, you see, it's not just the church that has hurt me.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
then you are well on your way.... from one survivor to another....
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