Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX - Page 4

DAII · #31 03-25-2011, 10:03 AM

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I believe the fixation on shame may come from his own personal experiences.
This could be good for others suffering from the same problems.

The perspective is a much needed one in the entire Church, agreed... but when remarks like Apostolic and endtime Revival hang on these individual experiences while proof texting from Joel 2 ... then let's heed some caution ....

agreed that there is a fixation and understandably so .. I'd have to say it shows while may not be allowing for God's Word to talk as D4T said..

Pressing-On · #32 03-25-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Preposterous and offensive accusation ... more of the "heart peeking"... PO if you're going down this rabbit trail and flopping again, then ... log off or try the FH. Nor will I respond to you anymore.

If you want to discuss the message in it's entirety ... not just hormonally or "emotionally"... but as the Berean you claim you are ... step back and examine it all.

Why didn't you do that before you started criticizing him? I listened to more of the clips then you did even AFTER you started this thread.

And it isn't an accusation. It is an observation. You're just angry that someone would dare to stand up to you and say it. Daniel, you started this thread with an accusation without even listening to all of what this man was trying to convey to the group of people he was talking to. That is just bad form, Daniel.

If you think that everyone sitting on a pew is whole because they are filled with God's Spirit, think again. He has some very valid points that will minister to many. Of that, I have no doubt.

onefaith2 · #33 03-25-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Video one glaring statement: Christians do no have shame because they struggle with sin. People struggle with sin because they have shame. Shame is the root cause of ALL self-destructive behavior.

No i'm pretty sure that I have shame due to struggling with sinful things. Romans 7 to me is pretty clear what is the source of anything that can be deemed evil, the sin nature in our flesh.

Theophil · #34 03-25-2011, 10:24 AM

Where can I watch the videos?

DAII · #35 03-25-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Here is the whole seminar ... it seems ... in 40 youtube videos ...

I don't have the time to watch it this weekend but ... I would like to hear this perspective ... and to analyze.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTdM...eature=related

The video comment states: "The Final Step To Revival Is Dealing With Our Shame"

Theophil, the teachings are here on post 12 ... the promos are on the first page.

Socialite · #36 03-25-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It might be a good idea to listen to the videos before commenting. I'm only on the tenth video, but this appears to be his point and it is valid to discuss, IMO. A few excerpts:

Too tired to listen to anymore tonight.

I don't believe I commented a whole lot, or at least even directed criticisms toward the preacher. Not sure why you responded like that.

From the onset, and the few videos I've watched today, to be gimmicky.

Socialite · #37 03-25-2011, 10:35 AM

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There's no doubt that our experiences inform our opinions, PO. I'd suspected he had dealt with incredible amounts of shame as he has alluded to dealing with it during the 1980's ... that said ... in teaching this to the people of God ... in teaching any subject ... we must be careful to define our terms ...so that we know what we are addressing ... not bring confusion or even possible frustration, not to proof text ... etc.

I hear some good teaching thus far in some of the statements and some faulty premises and conclusions as well.

Shame is not also as all encompassing as he has painted it ... that's where a clear bias might be affecting him ... here.

I know when we examine our feelings and emotions ... they are intertwined with our experiences and even our sinful nature and thoughts that at time "rise up" ... in unraveling it we must try to be precise and bible based ... with a backdrop that the heart of man is wicked and perverse ... who shall know it? Our God does.

He's a pioneer, making up his own way of coping and counseling others through tragedy?

The way he uses and defines the word "shame" so carte blance and authoritatively is probably wrong. I'm sure his intentions are good.

Socialite · #38 03-25-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why didn't you do that before you started criticizing him? I listened to more of the clips then you did even AFTER you started this thread.

And it isn't an accusation. It is an observation. You're just angry that someone would dare to stand up to you and say it. Daniel, you started this thread with an accusation without even listening to all of what this man was trying to convey to the group of people he was talking to. That is just bad form, Daniel.

If you think that everyone sitting on a pew is whole because they are filled with God's Spirit, think again. He has some very valid points that will minister to many. Of that, I have no doubt.

Daniel believes in triumphalism now? He believes we are all whole?

Shame is a mechanism of the Spirit working us toward perfection, is it not? Even Dr. Laura gets that to some extent! lol http://www.drlaurablog.com/2008/09/11/shame-on-you/

Condemnation is what holds people back, which is rooted in unbelief of God's gracious gift. Shame brings a closer to the cross. Shame is present because of an awareness of one's sin.

Pressing-On · #39 03-25-2011, 10:38 AM

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I didn't watch the video yet. But don't get the Shame reference.

Can you explain?

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I don't believe I commented a whole lot, or at least even directed criticisms toward the preacher. Not sure why you responded like that.

From the onset, and the few videos I've watched today, to be gimmicky.

I referenced your post because you asked to have the shame explained.

Personally, I would want to have the clips explain that to me and not a poster who came on with his own apparent, personal bias toward the speaker. That is a big red flag for me. The title of the thread made me want to listen to the videos.

I recall Daniel accusing a pastor of jumping around on a platform when if you watched the video, you could clearly see it was another man because they were not wearing the same ties. We have to find these things out for ourselves, apparently.

onefaith2 · #40 03-25-2011, 10:39 AM

I haven't watched the videos but I do know Bro. Wright is a visionary and is a servant who cares about souls.