Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities

[Michael The Disciple]

Lets get more specific. Can we spell out what "standards" are being discussed? Maybe whats a standard in one Church may not be in another. If its a "Bible standard" isnt it ok?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Lets get more specific. Can we spell out what "standards" are being discussed? Maybe whats a standard in one Church may not be in another. If its a "Bible standard" isnt it ok?

I think probably the most common biblical standards are:

Short hair on men uncut on ladies. I know its been debated here often but its
bible.

Modesty. Also scriptural. I believe the pastor has a right here to decide what is modest and what is not.

Not wearing jewelry (including wedding rings). Also scriptural.

Avoiding certain worldly environments and amusements.

I dont know if i would refer to it as a standard but it is an expectation that my pastor has is that the members of our church would fast at least one day a week. I'm sure no one hear would debate the scriptural validity of fasting.

Thats brief and not really detailed. Maybe i'll post again later.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I think probably the most common biblical standards are:

Short hair on men uncut on ladies. I know its been debated here often but its
bible.

Modesty. Also scriptural. I believe the pastor has a right here to decide what is modest and what is not.

Not wearing jewelry (including wedding rings). Also scriptural.

Avoiding certain worldly environments and amusements.

I dont know if i would refer to it as a standard but it is an expectation that my pastor has is that the members of our church would fast at least one day a week. I'm sure no one hear would debate the scriptural validity of fasting.

Thats brief and not really detailed. Maybe i'll post again later.

Hi kc,

Thanks for your reply. Short hair on men? Yes generally speaking sure. Uncut on ladies? I did not notice that in the Bible. I did notice Paul saying LONG HAIR was a womans glory. I think that should be taught.

I looked up the word "long" in the Strongs and it says "to have long hair". So since "uncut" is not instructed by Yeshua nor the apostles I would have to disagree.

Modesty is pretty safe to teach and of course is iron clad in scripture. If any specifics are laid out in scripture about a given thing that should be the rule. If its not specific best course of action for someone committed to discipleship would be check with the Elders.

The wearing of jewelry would be in the same category to me as wearing costly clothes. Nice new suits and expensive dresses?

Wisdom would dictate to avoid certain enviroments and amusements for sure.

Fasting is a definite part of being a disciple. I dont think it would be right to demand it be done at certain times but left to the individual because of details the Pastor/Elder may not be aware of in the persons schedule.

I think the true standard for all Christians is "Be perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect".

Let us run to and not away from the commandments of the Lord.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Lets get more specific. Can we spell out what "standards" are being discussed? Maybe whats a standard in one Church may not be in another. If its a "Bible standard" isnt it ok?

Standards are different from church to church but biblical holiness is the same in any church that preaches truth

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I think probably the most common biblical standards are:

Short hair on men uncut on ladies. I know its been debated here often but its
bible.

Modesty. Also scriptural. I believe the pastor has a right here to decide what is modest and what is not.

Not wearing jewelry (including wedding rings). Also scriptural.

Avoiding certain worldly environments and amusements.

I dont know if i would refer to it as a standard but it is an expectation that my pastor has is that the members of our church would fast at least one day a week. I'm sure no one hear would debate the scriptural validity of fasting.

Thats brief and not really detailed. Maybe i'll post again later.

Very good

[sandie]

It's actually scriptural that wedding rings are banned?
Where does it say that?

That's over the top, imo. Wedding rings let other people know that person is married: back off and it's a symbol of fidelity.

*sigh*....there's so much asked of people that's totally un-necessary.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

It's actually scriptural that wedding rings are banned?
Where does it say that?

That's over the top, imo. Wedding rings let other people know that person is married: back off and it's a symbol of fidelity.

*sigh*....there's so much asked of people that's totally un-necessary.

It's a point of consistency and I admire that. If they are going to say no necklaces because they are Gold then why would they allow gold wedding rings especially if they believe the bible is against people wearing gold?

[Tina]

Originally Posted by sandie

It's actually scriptural that wedding rings are banned?
Where does it say that?

That's over the top, imo. Wedding rings let other people know that person is married: back off and it's a symbol of fidelity.

*sigh*....there's so much asked of people that's totally un-necessary.

A symbol of fidelity? That is funny. I guess I've seen too many married men who slip off those rings and drop them in their pockets when they are away from their wives. Yes... even "apostolic" men.

Appearances can be deceiving.... people aren't always what they seem. Wedding band or no wedding band. A person's behavior would tell more about the relationship than a ring.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Tina

A symbol of fidelity? That is funny. I guess I've seen too many married men who slip off those rings and drop them in their pockets when they are away from their wives. Yes... even "apostolic" men.

Appearances can be deceiving.... people aren't always what they seem. Wedding band or no wedding band. A person's behavior would tell more about the relationship than a ring.

You made your own point. I never take mine off and wouldn't do it for a pastor or church member who asked me to -because I would rather offend THEM then my wife with the understanding that 98% of the time someone is "offended" it isn't because it causes them to stumble, it is just that they disagree with something or are angry you don't feel the same way.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Ha... I know UC's that refer to themselves as such. I was told by an UC that God honors the closer walk with HIM that the UC has. I wanted to laugh. He was completely serious.

Of course he was. Pharisees always feel like they are closer to God than others because of their law keeping.