Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I appreciate your thoughts, OneAccord. I'm not trying here to have a bible-discussion, that's for another time, and I'm sure some will pounce on that statement. I'm just trying to see the lay of the land.

While no one went to the "Cons" and ran them off directly, such a hostile environment has been fostered that it became impossible for them to be here. In that sense, they were run off, I believe. They certainly feel that way, I've talked to them.

Well, AFF is not an entity in and of itself. It is made up of people- people of different veiws. Its a melting pot of sorts. Those that left joined (or formed) groups of like minded people, and, I just wonder how content they are. I mean, from what I have read, those forums are open only to people that agree. How fun is that? A forum full of "Yes men" that have to carefully toe the doctrinal line? Post a belief or veiw that doen't measure up to the "standard" and out you go. I don't want to be a part of a forum or church for that matter that tells me what I must believe. I have the Bible to tell me that. That is my Standard. I appreciate a pastor or evnagelist who sheds more Gospel Light on my pathway, but that Light has to be Good's Word, not some "standard" that was carefully crafted in some board meeting somewhere. Or an ambigious interpretation of some Scripture taken out of context.

A variation of an old saying goes something like this: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

AFF is what we make it. If there is evil on AFF (and by "evil" I'm not referring veiws different from mine).... if theres evil here, its because good folks haven't spoken up enough. If theres division here, its because I haven't screamed UNITY! enough. And believe me, I've yelled it a lot. To no avail? Maybe... but that doesn't stop me from screaming even louder.

So, stand your ground. But be prepared to defend your veiws.

[houston]

Fairy tales was offensive? Should I have sub'd it with "untruths?"

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Thank you, Socialite. While you and I have had our disagreements, I appreciate you supporting my right to voice my heart. So far, only one has posted that said, "Yes" to the questions. And while you voted mostly "No", you didn't become disrepsectful by calling it fairy tales or saying I'm not a real apostolic or calling me a baby. I wish people could just express their thoughts without being so mean.

Sorry if I came across mean. I did not intend to. It's just that I shriek whenever I see "long hair" changed to "uncut hair." I definitely respect your convictions. Again, sorry...

[Praxeas]

Still waiting for who that "hero" is that does not believe in repentance and for the proof

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?(I believe it oughta be done in Jesus name, but if someone is baptised F,S, HG and is sincerely following Christ it's valid)

2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?(tongues as initial evidence, fruits as ongoing evidence, )

3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven? (repentance, baptism, and HG infilling)

4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves? (not all of them)

5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

( I believe a trinnitarian can go to heaven, can't say who will or won't)

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?

2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?

3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?

4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?

5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

i believe just like you do but as far as number 5, only if they obey acts 2;38 there is no other way god bless

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?

Not in the way you mean, but yes. Even a baptism in the titles can be done in the authority and name of Jesus.

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?

No.

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?

The two above? No

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?

No

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

Yes, and more than one.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I appreciate your thoughts, OneAccord. I'm not trying here to have a bible-discussion, that's for another time, and I'm sure some will pounce on that statement. I'm just trying to see the lay of the land.

While no one went to the "Cons" and ran them off directly, such a hostile environment has been fostered that it became impossible for them to be here. In that sense, they were run off, I believe. They certainly feel that way, I've talked to them.

You have an opinion about the "Cons", however the truth is they were as difficult and "mean" as those you accuse. I have debated with them for years and tried to always be kind and respectful, and did make "friendly" with most of them. Because I was not offended by their strong opinions, even when they were mean. I have been where they are and therefore I understand the passion, but when I was honest with myself and studied the scriptures and history, I found that we had never been expose to the "whole" story.

So, if you want to ask questions, just accept folks answers as their opinion and don't get "sensitive", because that just doesn't fly here. We have been where you are, but you likely have not walked in our shoes, nor been were we are.

And BTW, my answers would all be "NO", except for the last one and it would be "YES". Read 1 Tim. 4:10, and you will find a very strong statement of why my answers are as stated.

[ReddMann24]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?
yes
2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?
yes
3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?
yes
4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?
no...but I have no problem with those who do.
5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

I hope every trinitarian I know will go to heaven.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

yes


yes


yes


mostly--- depends on whether or not the sleeves have to be long


depends on what they have done with items 1 and 2


there ya go...don't talk much about it here. what would be the point?

I pretty much agree with JA.