Their loss is Globals gain (maybe) - Page 4

Socialite · #31 02-03-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Are all OP true PCI'ers?

No.

But most "looking the other way" tend to be... at least that's what I thought.

Seems like there's a need for people that appreciate the UPCI paradigm and culture sans traditional standards that have come to be associated with UPC. There isn't a thriving org yet for those. But I find usually, it's a slipper slope

They realize the standards were all part of a theological paradigm that they simply find unacceptable, unreasonable and unbiblical.

MrMasterMind · #32 02-03-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

No.

But most "looking the other way" tend to be... at least that's what I thought.

Seems like there's a need for people that appreciate the UPCI paradigm and culture sans traditional standards that have come to be associated with UPC. There isn't a thriving org yet for those. But I find usually, it's a slipper slope

They realize the standards were all part of a theological paradigm that they simply find unacceptable, unreasonable and unbiblical.

And many of those are not going to seek licensure with a 'mixed' organization or fellowship... not saying right or wrong, it is what it is.

Socialite · #33 02-03-2011, 12:35 AM

IMO, they share the same old paradigm in their minds.

They can only do what they're comfy with. I get that.

MrMasterMind · #34 02-03-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

IMO, they share the same old paradigm in their minds.

They can only do what they're comfy with. I get that.

perhaps it more than "comfy", looking at 1 Cor 8, it can also be a matter of conviction which each should following according to their conscience without condemning those who don't

Socialite · #35 02-03-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

perhaps it more than "comfy", looking at 1 Cor 8, it can also be a matter of conviction which each should following according to their conscience without condemning those who don't

I suppose. But I'd argue Paul would have contended for unity despite the diversity, not the other way around. Especially on non-Gospel issues. Participating at the table with food offered to idols and fellowship with brothers is two separate things. I'd have to imagine Paul's tone would be more insistent on not separating over the issues of what so-and-so says at baptism. But just my thoughts.

MrMasterMind · #36 02-03-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

I suppose. But I'd argue Paul would have contended for unity despite the diversity, not the other way around. Especially on non-Gospel issues. Participating at the table with food offered to idols and fellowship with brothers is two separate things. I'd have to imagine Paul's tone would be more insistent on not separating over the issues of what so-and-so says at baptism. But just my thoughts.

No one (that I am aware of ) has suggested not fellowshipping, but licensing is something different. And repeating the Name of Jesus over a baptismal candidate is a conviction to some, it should be honored as such.

Likewise, for example I would not belittle the "Apostolic" dress standards preached by a local pastor. I would however challenge when he decided anyone not holding to their standard is lost.

ILG · #37 02-03-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

Bro, who pushed them out of what?

I will simply concur with the author. When my husband and I were in home missions years ago.....it was never about what the org could do for us but only what we could do for the org. We were very willing to do whatever it took...and DID! However, they took and took and took and then demanded more. It never ended.

triumphant1 · #38 02-03-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brianmidwest

I have looked closely at Global as well. I liked numbers of things about it, but it would seem that there is pressure to conform to a group mindset as well. Just in alternative ways.

As a member of global for 7 years, I have felt no pressure to conform to any kind of group mindset. Scott Jones is doing a great job of bringing in more fellowship activities as well. I really haven't experienced anything close to your conform to a group mindset comment.

triumphant1 · #39 02-03-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

Too cozy with Trinitarianism.

I am thankful that Global doesn't draw those old Oneness Pentecostal lines. If I wanted to stay in that paradigm, I would have found a way to stay UPC. Global is very accepting of Oneness as well as doesn't make it a point of fellowship or salvation.

There are plenty of Oneness groups that do not hold traditional standards. I would suggest that if Oneness vs. Trinitarian is an issue, they should find one of those to join.

Frankly speaking, I am not excited about Global being overrun by a bunch of liberal yet judgeing Oneness Pentecostal ministers who get all worked up over baptismal formulas and salvation necessity of Spirit baptism. I left the best Oneness Denomination going to get away from that mentality.

Elizabeth · #40 02-03-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

As a member of global for 7 years, I have felt no pressure to conform to any kind of group mindset. Scott Jones is doing a great job of bringing in more fellowship activities as well. I really haven't experienced anything close to your conform to a group mindset comment.

I would have to agree with what you are saying from what we have experienced with Global. I have enjoyed the fellowship I have experienced, made some great friends so far.