Is there a need for distinction?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I think so. The traditional stances we have held as Pentecostals are biblically based, and founded upon strong principle. There is always a lot of argument here at AFF regarding where lines should be drawn, but do you feel it's important to have SOME sort of line of demarkation between the way that men and women dress, and operate?

The number one issue I have faced in the church I pastor is women who control their husbands and therefore think they can control the pastor and the church. It is not that they demand equality, they want superiority. Complete dominance.

I have a real problem with that, and it ain't gonna fly around here.

I think it is definately important to have distinctions both in dress and operation. But, wearing skirts and long hair do not produce dinstinctions in operation as you demonstrate here. Sometimes the dress and long hair can actually be used as a control tactic, especially when it is taught that women have "power" through their hair. When 1 Cor. 11 is interpreted to mean that women should have a submissive spirit and a sign of that submission through long hair and then are taught the exact opposite, that women have "power" through their hair, it is teaching power and control and not submission.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

They want to dress like a man, talk like a man, and even spiritually operate like a man. It's like a bunch of female lumberjacks.

I would look instead to how their husbands are treating them. Often women do this type of thing only because they know *somebody* has to lead.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think it is definately important to have distinctions both in dress and operation. But, wearing skirts and long hair do not produce dinstinctions in operation as you demonstrate here. Sometimes the dress and long hair can actually be used as a control tactic, especially when it is taught that women have "power" through their hair. When 1 Cor. 11 is interpreted to mean that women should have a submissive spirit and a sign of that submission through long hair and then are taught the exact opposite, that women have "power" through their hair, it is teaching power and control and not submission.

What distinctions should there be ILG?

BTW, I didn't mention the ones you did.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What distinctions should there be ILG?

BTW, I didn't mention the ones you did.

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[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What distinctions should there be ILG?

BTW, I didn't mention the ones you did.

I assume you mean dress distinctions?

I think that women should have the overall persona and demeanor of a woman which means that a woman should wear apparel that renders her feminine from an over all view. It should not be difficult to determine whether she is a woman. I think it also goes beyond simply the "ability to determine" whether a person is a certain gender. It goes to the persona and heart and soul of the person. As you mentioned some women who dress UPC have the demeanor of a man.

[Sherri]

PP - Sounds like a definite problem with a Jezebel Spirit. We have faced this spirit off in the past and it is no fun to work with. It can manifest in men, but mostly it comes in women with strong personalities. We've seen it at work many times, and there is some excellent research that has been done on it. I have read and studied so much about it, because it loves to destroy churches and pastors. It is very deceitful and manipulative.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by ILG

I assume you mean dress distinctions?

I think that women should have the overall persona and demeanor of a woman which means that a woman should wear apparel that renders her feminine from an over all view. It should not be difficult to determine whether she is a woman. I think it also goes beyond simply the "ability to determine" whether a person is a certain gender. It goes to the persona and heart and soul of the person. As you mentioned some women who dress UPC have the demeanor of a man.

Very good post. I agree totally.
Do you remember when I posted the thread on Apostolic feminists?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sherri

PP - Sounds like a definite problem with a Jezebel Spirit. We have faced this spirit off in the past and it is no fun to work with. It can manifest in men, but mostly it comes in women with strong personalities. We've seen it at work many times, and there is some excellent research that has been done on it. I have read and studied so much about it, because it loves to destroy churches and pastors. It is very deceitful and manipulative.

Do you have any idea where I can view the research you mentioned?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Very good post. I agree totally.
Do you remember when I posted the thread on Apostolic feminists?

Sorry, no. Do you care to refresh me?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well I'm not as hard as some on some issues as some here , men and women should have distinction in outward apperance ,and men and women have differing roles in the home.
I don't see it as a superior or inferior thing ,but men and women have differing strengths and weakness ,and they compliment each other.