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[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, absolutely and thoroughly. I happen to have an IQ that has tested far into the genius range. Yet there are things I learn from my child, who has significant learning disabilities, that I have never understood before. Most likely, he would be one that you would label as "Not smart", yet there are things that he understands about life that you haven't yet learned with all your schooling and study. He has "smarts" that I cannot possibly comprehend and a brilliance that is incredibly special. I've heard the statement "I learn so much from you" said to him more than I've ever heard it said to anyone.

I already knew that you had a child with a learning disability, and I knew that was where this was heading. However, since I already explained the same basic things that you are saying in this paragraph, I'm going to chalk your responses up to "knee-jerk reaction" and move on.

You have made the classic mistake of assigning "Smarts" to an IQ number. I have watch Downs Syndrome children figure out things, intellectually, that I couldn't and maybe you couldn't. They are "Smart in their own way." My child which has learning disabilities, will remember things from events in the past that everyone has forgotten. Even though he cannot read, he can dissect a video game in ways I doubt you could ever do. He is "Smart in his own way."

So yes.....I absolutely, throughly, and completely am offended by the notion by your suggestion that not everyone is "Smart in their own".

I'm sorry that my statements are offensive to you, but I stand by them, and still don't consider them particularly offensive. I have no doubt that your son has many things to offer our world, profound things, and there is much to appreciate. Far more, in fact, than most people could find to appreciate in a college professor or a highly skilled surgeon. Since I already clarified this point, I can only assume you are deliberately ignoring that clarification and intend to remain offended. Ergo, conversation over.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I already knew that you had a child with a learning disability, and I knew that was where this was heading. However, since I already explained the same basic things that you are saying in this paragraph, I'm going to chalk your responses up to "knee-jerk reaction" and move on.

I'm sorry that my statements are offensive to you, but I stand by them, and still don't consider them particularly offensive. I have no doubt that your son has many things to offer our world, profound things, and there is much to appreciate. Far more, in fact, than most people could find to appreciate in a college professor or a highly skilled surgeon. Since I already clarified this point, I can only assume you are deliberately ignoring that clarification and intend to remain offended. Ergo, conversation over.

Knee-jerk? No, it was not "knee-jerk". If I had given a knee-jerk reaction, I would have called you an ____________.

So if you really believe that not everyone is "smart in their own way", then you are a part of the social classification problem we have in our society and the word that goes in the blank clearly and accurately describes you. I'm more than happy for the conversation to be over because someone with your haughty view of yourself isn't worth conversing with on the subject.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Knee-jerk? No, it was not "knee-jerk". If I had given a knee-jerk reaction, I would have called you an ____________.

So if you really believe that not everyone is "smart in their own way", then you are a part of the social classification problem we have in our society and the word that goes in the blank clearly and accurately describes you.

I have no idea what word goes into that blank, but I know that my posts have been perfectly civil, and you have no real reason to resort to calling me names, or implying them.

You also have no real idea about me as a person, how I approach life, how I interact with people on a personal level, and what types of people I interact with on a regular basis. Since you completely lack that knowledge, you have no grounds on which to judge me as short sighted or narrow minded or part of the "classification problem." I don't see acknowledging strengths and weaknesses as a classification or labeling problem, but a means to an end where one accentuates strengths and minimizes weaknesses. Especially in regard to the educational process. Classification places a person into a little box with a label and says that they can't ever move to a new spot, because that is where they belong. IMO, education, experience and exposure can not only allow a person to break out of that "box" but also allow them to discover new abilities they didn't even know they had. Therefore, I don't wish to classify anyone as "stupid", but acknowledging that someone doesn't have a high IQ tells us that they need to approach the world in a different way. Not that they can't approach the world at all, but that they will see it and understand it differently. Not that their perception is any less valuable, but that in many cases a new perspective is immensely valuable. Acknowledging both strengths and weaknesses in a human being allows them to discover the world around them in the best way possible, and allows their educational process to be truly productive.

In the context of my statement, I was referring to "smart" as basic intelligence, and specifically as those who have high intelligence. YOU are the one who is placing a value behind that statement, because you are offended that I wouldn't view every person as having high intelligence. You can't be offended by that unless you think that smart=value. Are you sure, then, that I'm the one with the classification problem?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I have no idea what word goes into that blank, but I know that my posts have been perfectly civil, and you have no real reason to resort to calling me names, or implying them.

You also have no real idea about me as a person, how I approach life, how I interact with people on a personal level, and what types of people I interact with on a regular basis. Since you completely lack that knowledge, you have no grounds on which to judge me as short sighted or narrow minded or part of the "classification problem." I don't see acknowledging strengths and weaknesses as a classification or labeling problem, but a means to an end where one accentuates strengths and minimizes weaknesses. Especially in regard to the educational process. Classification places a person into a little box with a label and says that they can't ever move to a new spot, because that is where they belong. IMO, education, experience and exposure can not only allow a person to break out of that "box" but also allow them to discover new abilities they didn't even know they had. Therefore, I don't wish to classify anyone as "stupid", but acknowledging that someone doesn't have a high IQ tells us that they need to approach the world in a different way. Not that they can't approach the world at all, but that they will see it and understand it differently. Not that their perception is any less valuable, but that in many cases a new perspective is immensely valuable. Acknowledging both strengths and weaknesses in a human being allows them to discover the world around them in the best way possible, and allows their educational process to be truly productive.

In the context of my statement, I was referring to "smart" as basic intelligence, and specifically as those who have high intelligence. YOU are the one who is placing a value behind that statement, because you are offended that I wouldn't view every person as having high intelligence. You can't be offended by that unless you think that smart=value. Are you sure, then, that I'm the one with the classification problem?

I know that you consider some people "Not smart" which tells me an abundance about you!

Dang it, I thought you said this conversation was over. I'd much rather it be. The more you try to explain, the worse it gets. There's still the unavoidable bottom line....you have an elevated view of your intelligence over that of others (I'm assuming you believe you're one of the "smart" people). You believe that some are "Not smart." You've made yourself very clear. Why don't we just leave it at that?

[Pressing-On]

I don't like these kinds of polls. It makes me feel that someone's feelings will be hurt.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I know that you consider some people "Not smart" which tells me an abundance about you!

Dang it, I thought you said this conversation was over. I'd much rather it be. The more you try to explain, the worse it gets. There's still the unavoidable bottom line....you have an elevated view of your intelligence over that of others (I'm assuming you believe you're one of the "smart" people). You believe that some are "Not smart." You've made yourself very clear. Why don't we just leave it at that?

Oh please, she's just bossy, that's all!!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh please, she's just bossy, that's all!!

That wasn't the word for the blank, but yeah!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

That wasn't the word for the blank, but yeah!

PM me, I need to know!!!

And, BTW, I came back for an edit: Abi knows I'm joking around because we had this conversation a while back. I was telling her that I read one of her posts to my husband and he said she sounded a little bossy. When I told her what he said, her response: "I am a little bossy." Hilarious!!! LOL!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I know that you consider some people "Not smart" which tells me an abundance about you!

Dang it, I thought you said this conversation was over. I'd much rather it be. The more you try to explain, the worse it gets. There's still the unavoidable bottom line....you have an elevated view of your intelligence over that of others (I'm assuming you believe you're one of the "smart" people). You believe that some are "Not smart." You've made yourself very clear. Why don't we just leave it at that?

The conversation is over, as far as me trying to convince you that I'm not a monster behind the screen, which seems to be what you've assumed. I really don't care if you think that, because you think that about a lot of people, so it becomes a moot point. Now, does that mean I'm going to let every smart-alecky remark you make pass without comment? Of course not.

What on earth makes you think I have an "elevated view of my intelligence over that of others?" I KNOW that I'm not the smartest cookie on this plate. Good Lord. I voted for Pel--not myself. I wouldn't put myself in the top 10 intelligent people on this forum, especially when you include knowledge and experience in the equation. Simply put, I'm too young to even qualify.

You have made yourself very clear as well--you go around with a chip on your shoulder, looking for things to be offended at. That tells me an abundance about you. This is just another one of those instances, and I don't parse my comments to accommodate the oversensitive.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, absolutely and thoroughly. I happen to have an IQ that has tested far into the genius range. Yet there are things I learn from my child, who has significant learning disabilities, that I have never understood before. Most likely, he would be one that you would label as "Not smart", yet there are things that he understands about life that you haven't yet learned with all your schooling and study. He has "smarts" that I cannot possibly comprehend and a brilliance that is incredibly special. I've heard the statement "I learn so much from you" said to him more than I've ever heard it said to anyone.