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[Jermyn Davidson]

Law Firm outlines the health risks of humans exposed to crude oil through oil spills.


http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/oil_spills

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Technically, the oil is already nutritious for many natural organisms. Why is it that we don't see all of the oil that has ever been spilled still floating around?

It's because petroleum is the liquefied remains of once living organisms. It is the "distilled" essence of the metabolism of many different organisms throughout the history of the sludge that was once a forest.

When it appears above the surface it is literally gobbled up. Dumping huge quantities of it all in one place is NOT recommended because the "gobbling" does take some time and all of the other organisms in the environment that don't particularly care for the oil are stressed by its presence.

Pel, crude oil is much, much more than just the liqueified remains of dead organisms.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This study proves crude oil is fatal for most plants, but not all.

http://www.idosi.org/aejsr/3(1)08/13.pdf


So it is not a lie to say that crude oil is nutritious.

However, anyone with half a brain knows that crude oil is toxic to humans and the environment, in most situations.

Jermyn, you're capable of clear thinking. There are trillions of organisms in the Gulf right now that regularly consume petroleum. No one has suggested that we deliberately pump oil into the seas just to feed these guys, and that's because petroleum in the HUMAN environment is messy and even toxic at high levels.

However, if oil does spill - it will inevitably - there are natural mechanisms that help to break it down and clean it up. Your partisan hype on this is painfully droll. You can do better than this - at least I've always thought that you could.

Quit trying to play the role of "I can read their minds!" and just engage the issues square on. An oil spill is a mess. BP is paying ALL of the costs so far. Your buddy the BIG O had just awarded the oil rig at the bottom of the sea a special safety commendation right before the thing blew up.

Accidents happen. They are unanticipated - that's what makes them "accidents." Drilling for oil in seas a mile deep is pushing human technology to the limit, but it is illegal to drill in this area any closer to land because the tourists from New York don't want to look at the oil rigs.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Pel, crude oil is much, much more than just the liqueified remains of dead organisms.

Uh, no. That's exactly what it is.

"In organic chemistry, a hydrocarbon is an organic compound consisting entirely of hydrogen and carbon. Hydrocarbons from which one hydrogen atom has been removed are functional groups, called hydrocarbyls. Aromatic hydrocarbons (arenes), alkanes, alkenes, cycloalkanes and alkyne-based compounds are different types of hydrocarbons.

The majority of hydrocarbons found naturally occur in crude oil, where decomposed organic matter provides an abundance of carbon and hydrogen which, when bonded, can catenate to form seemingly limitless chains."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbons

Slow down, go read a book on organic chemistry and hydrocarbons. Then come back and play.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Uh, no. That's exactly what it is.

"In organic chemistry, a hydrocarbon is an organic compound consisting entirely of hydrogen and carbon. Hydrocarbons from which one hydrogen atom has been removed are functional groups, called hydrocarbyls. Aromatic hydrocarbons (arenes), alkanes, alkenes, cycloalkanes and alkyne-based compounds are different types of hydrocarbons.

The majority of hydrocarbons found naturally occur in crude oil, where decomposed organic matter provides an abundance of carbon and hydrogen which, when bonded, can catenate to form seemingly limitless chains."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbons

Slow down, go read a book on organic chemistry and hydrocarbons. Then come back and play.

I've got my chemistry book handy.

Truth be told there is more to it than this-- as in more chemicals in crude oil that can upset delicate ecological systems and kill animals like the "Shrimp Study" I mentioned in a former post.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I've got my chemistry book handy.

Truth be told there is more to it than this-- as in more chemicals in crude oil that can upset delicate ecological systems and kill animals like the "Shrimp Study" I mentioned in a former post.

No you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have made that repeated gaffs about the "nutritious oil." Nor would you have gotten so lost concerning the source of the "chemicals" in petroleum.

Answer me this: how is petroleum oil made?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Chemical Elements of Crude Oil

Carbon
Hydrogen
Nitrogen
Oxygen
Sulfur
Metals



Hydrocarbon Molecules Appearing in Crude Oil

Paraffins
Naphthenes
Aromatics-- Some of which are carcinogenic.
Asphaltics

[Jermyn Davidson]

"As for crude oils, a very decent analysis by the American Petroleum Institute shows that all are toxic, but their effects vary with thickness and with the different chemistry seen in say, oil from the Gulf of Mexico and oil from Kuwait. The best estimate I've seen for South Louisiana Crude - after hours of exasperated research - comes from thesis work done at Louisiana State University several years ago. For instance, the study found that Louisiana crude had an LC50 of 4250 ppm for the warm-water loving killifish.

This suggests that crude oil is less acutely poisonous than chemical dispersants. But here's the really interesting finding in that terrific little study. Adding a dispersant - specifically Corexit 9500 - made the oil more poisonous. A lot more poisonous."



Corexit- oil dispersant produced by NALCO.

NALCO- oil dispersant company with a former BP executive as a member on its Board of Directors



My quote is from the article linked below.

http://scienceblogs.com/speakeasysci...centration.php

[Jermyn Davidson]

Next naysayer.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Chemical Elements of Crude Oil

Carbon
Hydrogen
Nitrogen
Oxygen
Sulfur
Metals



Hydrocarbon Molecules Appearing in Crude Oil

Paraffins
Naphthenes
Aromatics-- Some of which are carcinogenic.
Asphaltics

All of those compounds are organic. The oil is the "distilled" carbon compounds that used to function as an organism - (trees and other plants, algae and other carbon based life forms). The sulfur is a by-product of the metabolic processes that broke down the organic material and turned it into kerogens.

And then, the petroleum was trapped beneath layers of rock and sediment. Over time the kerogens were exposed to heat from the earth's magma which broke down the long carbon polymers of kerogen into the "sweet crude" oil that everybody's after.

All of these compounds are natural. All of them originated from living organisms with perhaps trace minerals from the surround rock layers (also natural) reacting or otherwise getting into the mix.