Better pay up....LOL

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jason

How can I say that? About Saddleback, I can't. About the megas down here in Texas, I can through experience, both my own (before I was actually saved, I went to megas with my mom) and others I know. I don't have statistics, but of the people I have know who attend such churches, they are definitely weak/immature in faith, or not converted at all.

I don't say ALL who attend, but I believe it is safe to say a majority.

There's no way we could know for sure, I understand that. I'm just asking for a wild guess. But let's be really, really negative and say that only 5% of Saddleback's crowd is really saved. Would you agree that's really negative? Yikes!! Imagine only 5% of our audience being the "real deal."

Well, with Saddleback, that would mean that TWO THOUSAND PEOPLE are saved, and the real deal, which still is a huge number!

Yes, many people who attend Saddleback or Willow are not "true-blue" and there out of convenience, and not yet really dedicated......which I say is FANTASTIC!!! Just imagine having a huge audience each week of people who are prospective Christ-Followers! Let it be, Lord!!

Many churches would be thrilled with 20 visitors in one year. I would happily speak to thousands of uncommitted people each week. This is highly preferable to speaking to the same ole people every week who are advanced about as far as they're ever gonna go.

I would very happily take the Saddleback-type crowd...in fact, that's exactly what we now have, just 39,700 short!

[GraceAmazing]

They made it! I read the donations were at 2.4 million and counting! Wowzers!!!!!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by notofworks

There's no way we could know for sure, I understand that. I'm just asking for a wild guess. But let's be really, really negative and say that only 5% of Saddleback's crowd is really saved. Would you agree that's really negative? Yikes!! Imagine only 5% of our audience being the "real deal."

Well, with Saddleback, that would mean that TWO THOUSAND PEOPLE are saved, and the real deal, which still is a huge number!

Yes, many people who attend Saddleback or Willow are not "true-blue" and there out of convenience, and not yet really dedicated......which I say is FANTASTIC!!! Just imagine having a huge audience each week of people who are prospective Christ-Followers! Let it be, Lord!!

Many churches would be thrilled with 20 visitors in one year. I would happily speak to thousands of uncommitted people each week. This is highly preferable to speaking to the same ole people every week who are advanced about as far as they're ever gonna go.

I would very happily take the Saddleback-type crowd...in fact, that's exactly what we now have, just 39,700 short!

NOW, I love your point of view, and you know we are largely like minded. But my issue is with churches who give these non-dedicated church attending people the impression that they ARE born again.

I'd love for 200 or 300 uncomitted, curious, agnogstic folks to be in ou services each week, but wouldn't tell them theyre going to heaven as they are.