56yr Old Woman shoots and kills intruder. Audio - Page 4

Jeffrey · #31 12-05-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

That is a huge assumption. Regardless if he had a weapon in hand or not, he could still have harmed her, even killed her with his bare hands. If he thought he was in his home and she was the intruder, he could have reacted differently, and felt he was defending his home, using whaterver was handy.

All I'm saying is... she had a shotgun for crying out loud. The squeeze of a trigger gave her the power to be assured the likelihood of her injury to be minimal.

Jeffrey · #32 12-05-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I feel for the woman in this situation. All I was asking was whether it would have been good or bad to have said something while he was still outside unarmed and she was inside armed. If this were a case where she awoke to someone sneakily trying to break in, ramming a door, or climbing through a window, I say shoot first and shoot often. In this case he spent ten minutes knocking on various doors and windows and loudly calling for Pat. That would not strike me as the actions of a man initially looking to break-in.
She was reasonably calm and identified him as an older man while he was still outside. I'm just saying that in that situation I would probably have grabbed my gun and informed him that I was armed and the police were on the way and there was no Pat in my house.
But once again, I am allowing for the fact that I am a younger man and she is an older woman.

TStew, that's where I was going with it as well.

And your last statement is true. Though she sounded calm, I'm sure she was frightened to be left alone at dark with a drunk stranger trying to force himself in her home.

Kae · #33 12-05-2009, 09:43 PM

From what I understood of the call she did inform the intruder, when he started to break in and she put the phone down, that she had a gun and was on the phone with the police. He proceeded to break in with a patio chair and then the table. Those are the actions of a mad man and a few seconds of indecision could have caused her her life. Her son was a police officer and she knew quite a few of them asking for specific ones to come. I believe she had been trained in how to take care of herself in this type of situation. She had no desire to shoot the man and only did so when she felt she was left with no other choice.

tstew · #34 12-05-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kae

From what I understood of the call she did inform the intruder, when he started to break in and she put the phone down, that she had a gun and was on the phone with the police. He proceeded to break in with a patio chair and then the table. Those are the actions of a mad man and a few seconds of indecision could have caused her her life. Her son was a police officer and she knew quite a few of them asking for specific ones to come. I believe she had been trained in how to take care of herself in this type of situation. She had no desire to shoot the man and only did so when she felt she was left with no other choice.

I listened to the point of the shooting, but didn't hear any of that. However, I could have missed it. Either way, I was not talking about the point when he actually entered the house but the ten minutes or so when he was locked outside, knocking, and calling for Pat.

He's My Friend · #35 12-05-2009, 09:59 PM

If I remember correctly the intruder was 53 years old.

He was a well known person to law enforcement.

He was a well known drug addict and alcoholic.

While he was breaking in this home, his sister was in his truck (about 1-2 miles) down the road drugged out of her mind.

The woman (victm) is familar with the police which possibly helped her remain calm. Her son is a policeman.

MissBrattified · #36 12-05-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kae

From what I understood of the call she did inform the intruder, when he started to break in and she put the phone down, that she had a gun and was on the phone with the police. He proceeded to break in with a patio chair and then the table. Those are the actions of a mad man and a few seconds of indecision could have caused her her life. Her son was a police officer and she knew quite a few of them asking for specific ones to come. I believe she had been trained in how to take care of herself in this type of situation. She had no desire to shoot the man and only did so when she felt she was left with no other choice.

I'm in agreement that she has the legal right to defend herself and her property, as noted earlier on the thread. I don't fault her at all for doing what she felt necessary to protect herself.

I didn't hear her announce to the man that she had a gun and would shoot.

Truthseeker · #37 12-05-2009, 10:16 PM

regardless of what one thinks should have been done, a citizen as the right to stand their ground and defend their property by all enemies, foreign and domestic.

I think I would have run out the front door or hid in a back room with gun pointed to door hoping sheriff would come before having to shoot, but I always don't think the ECU pirates shouldn't have run the ball on 4 and 1 after being stopped twice.

Easy to make judgements after the fact.

Kae · #38 12-05-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I listened to the point of the shooting, but didn't hear any of that. However, I could have missed it. Either way, I was not talking about the point when he actually entered the house but the ten minutes or so when he was locked outside, knocking, and calling for Pat.

I think she wanted to avoid confrontation she kept asking them to hurry. I believe everyone would handle the situation differently depending on their strengths and weaknesses. Coming from a woman's perspective their is no way I would have wanted to confront him, she was worried about him seeing her and had even turned off all the lights. At one point they asked her if their was a room she could lock herself in in the house. She said no she didn't feel comfortable in a small bathroom with a shotgun. I believe you are looking from a man's point of view which might have been a bit more rational. This man was pounding on all the doors and windows and was yelling, this can be pretty intimidating to a woman, where a man might feel more in control. Even though she was level headed she was probably trained on how to act, thinking beyond that might have been too much at the moment.

Kae · #39 12-05-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm in agreement that she has the legal right to defend herself and her property, as noted earlier on the thread. I don't fault her at all for doing what she felt necessary to protect herself.

I didn't hear her announce to the man that she had a gun and would shoot.

I had to listen to that part over again, because it was confusing to me. I believe she relayed that to the operator, we couldn't hear her when she actually said it to the man, right before she actually shot him. I will have to listen again to be sure it was earlier today.

Sandra · #40 12-05-2009, 10:29 PM

I listened to the whole 32 min. I didn't intend to listen that long. I think the police took way to long! I wish she would of just shot him in the leg , just wounded him. I don't fault her, I know she had to do what she had to do. It is clear on tape that she didn't want to kill him, but again the police took FOREVER!