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Old 10-28-2009, 05:25 PM
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Re: RS Elected Pastor of New Life Church

I agree with Mr. Baldwin Piano that reading between the lines of the press release it appears there is probably some legal reason to do with the capitol campaign that requires DKB to remain officially the pastor until June 2011.

I am curious though as to how that jives with the UPCI rules requiring the GS to give up pastoring. I am guessing there must be a generous timeframe given for that to take place and DKB is using that in this case.
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:49 PM
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Uninformed and uneducated people who are driven to post on subjects they have little to no knowledge of actually show their true colors by posting asininity and drivel. This thread is a case in point.

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Old 10-28-2009, 07:41 PM
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Uninformed and uneducated people who are driven to post on subjects they have little to no knowledge of actually show their true colors by posting asininity and drivel. This thread is a case in point.
Wasn't "Asininity and Drivel" one of those hair bands in the 80's?
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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How can anyone be elected pastor?
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Show of hands, secret ballot, "All those in favor... All those opposed..." The ways are almost endless.
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I agree with Mr. Baldwin Piano that reading between the lines of the press release it appears there is probably some legal reason to do with the capitol campaign that requires DKB to remain officially the pastor until June 2011.

I am curious though as to how that jives with the UPCI rules requiring the GS to give up pastoring. I am guessing there must be a generous timeframe given for that to take place and DKB is using that in this case.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:10 PM
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Re: RS Elected Pastor of New Life Church

I've had yet another surreal experience on this forum as I read these posts speculating on a situation that the authors of the posts have no personal knowledge of. I cannot express how utterly bizarre it is to read what people not connected with New Life Church have to say about our situation. (Of course there were a few very kind remarks as well.)

If you do not attend New Life and have not listened personally to the explanations of how things will work, why would some of you speculate about the situation and then dare attribute motives of the worst kind to the main people involved? It's shameless.

Kim Komando, it was so charitable of you to liken David Bernard to Hitler and Rodney Shaw to Goebbles, Hitler's chief propagandist. Before writing such a witticism again, perhaps you should pause and carefully reflect--and dare I suggest, even pray--if it is ever appropriate to liken two decent men like Bernard and Shaw to two of history's greatest monsters. Whether you were serious or joking, it was a disgusting thing to write.

Kim, I gather that you may construe most things you disagree with as "propaganda." You refer to "Apostolic Identity" as though it were some sinister plot, best mentioned only in a whisper. Here's a link to what DB wrote about it in an update to the ministers of the South Texas District. (Point 7). http://www.stxupci.com/september-update/#more-331. What he writes is polite and imminently reasonable. No one is holding a gun to a minister's head and forcing him or her to believe certain things or to belong to the UPCI. The UPCI officially endorses certain views about the new birth and holiness standards. If a minister doesn't also endorse these views, it seems reasonable for him or her to withdraw as DB suggests. There's no animosity here.

The following should excite many of you. I just saw the following update on RS's blog in which he responds to this thread. Yes it's true! http://rodneyshaw.wordpress.com/2009...ew-life-church. It should prove enlightening to all--and will probably thrill some posters at the thought of more potential controversy (yay!). Certain posters' mouths will no doubt water as they parse every sentence trying to read between the lines to discover RS's true motives in writing such a blog post--surely the truth can't just be what he says. That would make for a dull forum, of course, and I realize that trying to divine hidden agendas is almost irresistible.

I thought I would do something novel and actually read the manual regarding the requirements for the GS regarding pastoring a church. I was surprised to discover that the basic qualifications and duties of the GS only take up about a page in the manual. Here are some excerpts:

Article IV, Section 2. Election of Officers.
1. The General Superintendent, the Assistant General Superintendents, the General Secretary-Treasurer, the Director of Foreign Missions, the Director of Home Missions, the Director of Sunday School, and the General Youth President shall be elected by the General Conference for a term of two (2) years, for a maximum of eight (8) consecutive years. All the above offices shall be full time with the exception of the Assistant General Superintendents.

Article IV, Section 3. Qualifications and Restrictions.
1. In order to hold a general office in our organization, the following qualifications are required: A general officer must be at least thirty (30) years of age, must conform to the Fundamental Doctrine, must have been a minister in good standing with us for at least five (5) years, must have been ordained at least one (1) year prior to election, and must have proven loyal to the organization by cooperation in the up-building of the work. The only exception to the above is that the General Youth President does not have to meet the thirty (30) year age requirement.
2. No person can hold two executive offices at the same time.

ARTICLE V
RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF GENERAL OFFICERS AND RULES APPERTAINING THERETO
Section 1. General Superintendent.
1. The duties of the General Superintendent shall be as follows:
(a) To preside at all General Conferences.
(b) To call General Board meetings.
(c) To preside at all sessions of the General Board.
(d) To appoint all committees pertaining to the general work.
(e) To sign every credential, license, fellowship card, and church certificate.
(f) To be overseer of all general work in cooperation with the General Board.
(g) To attend all annual district conferences or in the event that he cannot attend, to delegate another general official to represent him.
(h) To withhold the issuance of license, credential, or fellowship card when he has reason to believe the applicant may be in question. The application is to be referred back to the District Board or to the Credentials Committee.
(i) To be General Overseer and General Manager of all divisions.
2. The General Superintendent shall act as President of the Corporation in all legal matters.
(a) He shall be authorized to sign all official and legal documents, deeds, and mortgages.
(b) He shall act as a trustee of all corporation property.

It never explicitly says that the GS cannot remain a pastor of a church, but the expectation, of course, is that in order to adequately fufill the role of full-time GS, the GS would be unable to also pastor. Which is why DB will not remain as senior pastor of New Life. (DB did, however, do a pretty good job being a full-time pastor, district superintendent, and president of UGST at the same time.) RS will take on the great bulk of pastoral responsibilities as of Jan 1, 2010, and full pastoral responsibilities in June 2011. Keep in mind that the General Board had no objections to this transitional plan--oh wait . . . it's another conspiracy!

Finally, if you would like to see some pictures from the election, here you go: http://www.newlifeupc.org/pictures-f...toral-election. BE FOREWARNED, there are several smiles in these pictures. Lest some posters think the smiles were just meant to conceal the dastardly plan DB and RS had cooked up for New Life, I can assure you that we were all just happy for RS.

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:17 PM
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LOL!! Bro Celery, thank you for your witty post and the link to your new pastor's blog. I wish your assembly grace and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ, always.
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Re: RS Elected Pastor of New Life Church

This is a open forum where anyone can post. We are glad you joined us. In fact we are even glad that you spoke up and attend the church in question.

Many of us are happy for Bro. Bernard and think he is actually a moderate and many of us use his books for academic reference.

Hopefully you will post more often on here, just remember that we have a spectrum from strict AMF to conservative/moderate UPCI folks to the progressives who tend towards the AWCF or Global Network.

Its good you made your voice heard. We would love to have both you and your pastor post on here.
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LOL!! Bro Celery, thank you for your witty post and the link to your new pastor's blog. I wish your assembly grace and peace from our Lord Jesus Christ, always.
Thank you very much!

But, Mizpeh, my last name is Celey, not the vegetable. But it's oh so embarrassingly close! :-) How I've had to endure the question since I was a boy, "Did you know that your last name is only one letter off from celery?" To which I invariably respond, "Nooo, I never noticed that."

God bless.
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