UPC Manual Question

[jaxfam6]

okay I know I have said this before some where in these many threads but I will say it again.

I am THANKFUL that the churches I have attended have not been party to such nonsense.

My father and brother both were my pastor at one point or another and both were part of the AMF but neither one would let an organization dictate to them who would preach for them. The were many times men from the UPC, ALJC, PAW, and other groups preached for us.
Then I attended an ALJC church and we had preachers from all different groups in. Now I am in an Apostolic Assembly church and the same thing. GOD is good. I am thankful that the men we have sat under have all been balanced. (for the most part) =)

[U376977]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

okay I know I have said this before some where in these many threads but I will say it again.

I am THANKFUL that the churches I have attended have not been party to such nonsense.

My father and brother both were my pastor at one point or another and both were part of the AMF but neither one would let an organization dictate to them who would preach for them. The were many times men from the UPC, ALJC, PAW, and other groups preached for us.
Then I attended an ALJC church and we had preachers from all different groups in. Now I am in an Apostolic Assembly church and the same thing. GOD is good. I am thankful that the men we have sat under have all been balanced. (for the most part) =)

Judging from the 411 views at the time of this post and only 28 replies tells me that either the UPCers (and other denom types) cannot make excuses or explain the "nonsense." Others have had such bad experiences with the denom. and divisional type preachers that they don't want to take the time to post about it.

I too am so thankful I was never caught up in the nonsense. When I saw the light of oneness truth I was in ORU. I was hired right out of school and had to work almost 7 days a week so I did not get into a church, just spent that time reading my bible and in private prayer. The company finally landed me in Nashville TN and I was getting 2 days off a week and I started to go to Joby Brady's Church (he is in Raleigh NC now and has a international influence). My best friend I met in his church took me to Charlotte to meet his dad. I moved to Charlotte and helped him in tent ministry and to pastor a church for 7 years. Then I moved to Tulsa OK and started to go to Duane Blue's who was associated with David Terrell, but is a powerful minister and preacher in his own right. After a few years we moved back to Charlotte and started going to a church of Jesus Christ, (there are several denoms. but my church is independent) we have gone there for 7 years. All these churches are independent and allow outside fellowship. So I have really been blessed to not experience the pain caused by the hatred and division.

[jaxfam6]

I do not associate myself with an organization. I do not attend a church because of an organization. If I found myself at a place where this went on I would find myself some place else to go I think. That is just my opinion of it. Others may feel differently.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I do not associate myself with an organization. I do not attend a church because of an organization. If I found myself at a place where this went on I would find myself some place else to go I think. That is just my opinion of it. Others may feel differently.

Amen! I would go elsewhere. The reason that I posted this was not to belittle that church. But it sounded so unbelievable that I wanted to verify the "rules" and I knew the AFF people could tell me. And I was so upset because I really do care about the young minister and do not want him to settle for a ministry that is not the will of God for him but is only 2nd best. I pray that one day he will free himself of religion.

[TJJJ]

Having been in the Org and also out of it, let me say this for the thread.

All orgs must have some rules to follow, you might call them control, they might call them operating guidelines.

If that is that particular orgs rules, and you wish to associate with the men of that Org, then you follow their established rules.

Some people needs rules to operate. I have met people that absolutely need the structure in order to feel like they are a part of something. Their choice.

Others, like myself and those on this thread, are more so independent thinkers. Neither are wrong if the people involved with either (upci or independents) like the rules and reg! There are benefits to both sides but having been a part of the UPCI I personally had never experienced that level of control, although I had heard of it in various districts!

I hesitate to take your side on this case as time has always proved out that their is two sides to the story.

The young man is young! Youth is inexperienced, but in their own opinion is always right! You are only getting one side of the story it appears. This might not be the first time that the young man has caused problems.

The DC might be a Frankenstien, but according to the posts he is also the man's pastor.

Methinks that their is more to this than just what the young man is telling you!

TJJJ

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Having been in the Org and also out of it, let me say this for the thread.

All orgs must have some rules to follow, you might call them control, they might call them operating guidelines.

If that is that particular orgs rules, and you wish to associate with the men of that Org, then you follow their established rules.

Some people needs rules to operate. I have met people that absolutely need the structure in order to feel like they are a part of something. Their choice.

Others, like myself and those on this thread, are more so independent thinkers. Neither are wrong if the people involved with either (upci or independents) like the rules and reg! There are benefits to both sides but having been a part of the UPCI I personally had never experienced that level of control, although I had heard of it in various districts!

I hesitate to take your side on this case as time has always proved out that their is two sides to the story.

The young man is young! Youth is inexperienced, but in their own opinion is always right! You are only getting one side of the story it appears. This might not be the first time that the young man has caused problems.

The DC might be a Frankenstien, but according to the posts he is also the man's pastor.

Methinks that their is more to this than just what the young man is telling you!

TJJJ

I had not considered that, really. Perhaps my love for the young man blinded to that possiblity. But he held a revival for me, and I attended two other revivals he preached, and I loaned him my tent to hold a 10 day tent revival, I was there every night, all the people were blessed and I heard nothing negative about the boy. But as I wrote I met his pastor/DS and I think he is a good man. I have never meant to imply that he is a "Frankenstien" and the boy loves and respects him enough to submit to what I called "nonsense." So he may have his reasons? I just cannot imagine what they could be or what the boy could have done to demand this type of control. But thank-you for your thoughts.

[Sam]

from the 2008 Articles of Faith and Constitution of the ALJC (Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ)


SECTION 4. LICENSE

5. All ministers holding License or Credentials with the Assemblies
of the Lord Jesus Christ, who are not engaged in full time ministry
(Pastor or Evangelist), shall attach themselves to a local Apostolic
assembly, working under the jurisdiction of and in fellowship with the
Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ and be subordinate to that pastor.
Any exceptions to the above rule must be approved by the District
Board in which the minister is located.
...
8. No minister affiliated with us shall be permitted to hold papers
with any other chartered organization or association. Exception shall
be accepted in cases of property protection.
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SECTION 4. RULES AND OBLIGATIONS
1. Our ministers may conduct meetings in any city and for any
church, regardless of its organizational ties, in the Oneness movement,
as long as the conduct of both the church and its pastor is in
harmony with godly living and Christian ethics.
page 29