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01-19-2009, 04:37 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Provide us with the actual name of the golf course and the exact dollar amount of membership, and then we can talk. Even then, I'll be hesitant to judge someone else's spending.
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Would you be hesistant to judge this someone's spending if he was your pastor?
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01-19-2009, 05:46 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Would you be hesitant to judge this someone's spending if he was your pastor?
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Yes. My pastor receives a fair salary, and he seems to be a good steward of what he receives. Beyond that I do NOT care what they spend their money on. Personally, I wish we could pay him more.
I just know that when things are lumped together all in one post, they can sound a lot worse than they really are. For all we know, the mansion was a gift from the church, the pool was part of the deal, and golf might be the only luxury the pastor indulges in. We don't know if they go to Cancun all the time, or if it was just a once or twice kind of special occasion, or an anniversary trip.
I'm just saying that luxuries are NOT bad, and our pastor and his family deserves them.
Our pastor and his wife were missionaries to Japan at one time, so for their 15 year anniversary at the church, the church sent them and their son on a trip back to Japan, all expenses paid. I think it was a GREAT gift, and wonderful thanks for their service through the years. Some people would see that as an unnecessary luxury.
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01-19-2009, 10:56 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
LB, God KNOWS my heart and intention. Keep the airplane on course, nose up!! Take Flight! Larry, you and I, along with our Elders ARE MAKING IT. EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON DEAR FRIEND. There is much deception in the church today in regards to wealth... They dont have spiritual oversight over you and cannot see the damage satan is coming against you with. Forum, it is not holy to be at the beach with unclothed folks, mixed bathing. Nobody commented on JESUS-Why? I am after LB's soul- that is LOVE. Let it REST. Dont judge my way of reaching one. I am DOING my work as a Minister. Amen.
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01-19-2009, 11:00 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
LB? Whose initials are those? Whoever it is, you need to call them or email them or talk to them directly. That would be more in keeping with scripture, if you are truly concerned about the well being of someone's soul. Otherwise, you're just another gossip.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-19-2009, 11:07 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
LB? Whose initials are those? Whoever it is, you need to call them or email them or talk to them directly. That would be more in keeping with scripture, if you are truly concerned about the well being of someone's soul. Otherwise, you're just another gossip.
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Tell it, girl!!!!!
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01-20-2009, 03:30 AM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
lb would be larry booker, can someone spell I G N O R E or even better BAN . we all can do one of the two ! unbelievable! arrogant and overbearing posts from this guy!
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01-21-2009, 05:42 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
I think the biggest issue is that a church becomes a "business" in the first place. The great American Church has created a culture of business to the church that I hardly believe existed in either Jesus' time or the Apostles time. Being blessed is not the issue, it is the likness to the world and the excess that is the issue.
I would say it is nigh to impossible to be humble and live in a million dollar house with a ferrari. Ministers are suppose to be servants to the people of God, not elitist folks in some high position. "Let no man think higher of himself than he ought"
I don't believe Gods children should lack or be poor, but a balance is needed. Large churches = large bills, and the concept of how to fund a church and have gigantic buildings seems to be missing from my Bible...can someone help me find that one?
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01-21-2009, 06:23 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
Terry: MissB hit the nail on the head. If you're really concerned talk to him. You're approach is way wrong so anything you would say is wothless IMO.
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01-21-2009, 07:06 PM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
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Originally Posted by The Lemon
I think the biggest issue is that a church becomes a "business" in the first place. The great American Church has created a culture of business to the church that I hardly believe existed in either Jesus' time or the Apostles time. Being blessed is not the issue, it is the likness to the world and the excess that is the issue.
I would say it is nigh to impossible to be humble and live in a million dollar house with a ferrari. Ministers are suppose to be servants to the people of God, not elitist folks in some high position. "Let no man think higher of himself than he ought"
I don't believe Gods children should lack or be poor, but a balance is needed. Large churches = large bills, and the concept of how to fund a church and have gigantic buildings seems to be missing from my Bible...can someone help me find that one?
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Good points, if it's business then you get to pass it on to your son or son in law. you know family runned bus..... I mean church.
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01-22-2009, 12:02 AM
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Re: Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'
Lemon, I almost gave up hope. I am so glad you see that. Exactly what I am so concerned about. How would my critics feel if LB or one of the other WPF leaders were their personal friend? Watching their soul get tangled in the trap of the world's lair? Not many Apostolics know how I weep and agonize and travail for LB. I don't ask anything from God for the privilege, only God abundantly deliver and minister to him an everlasting open door entrance into Heaven. My Flock highly esteem me. I have no rebellious Saints in my Church. I Never Ever have to remind them I am an Elder. My Saints and God know me. I do believe I have been misjudged on this forum. And I fear lest any be tempted from obeying the Truth. May God have Mercy. Lemon is right on time! God Bless!
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