The Apostolic Welfare Culture

[MrsMcD]

I guess our view depends on which side of the fence we live on.

Originally Posted by Ronzo

1. "Preachers" have created this mentality with the class system they've instituted in what they call 'church'. Clergy/Laity. "Obey those that RULE you". "A PASTOR must set BOUNDARIES". Etc... What do they expect? The whole culture is wrong.

2. What's wrong with making learning interesting and engaging? Sounds like someone doesn't have the skills to make it engaging for kids... and is looking to justify they inability.

3. Well, if some preacher wants to gripe about that, then that's their perogative. Most of us have a life outside of the four walls of that building some call 'a church'. We have jobs that require our attention in order to get paid at them, and support our families. God forbid a preacher be respectful of that and actually be *GASP* Sensitive to the physical needs of the people in the congregation he pastors.



Go ahead... lay some more gripes out. I'm sure you've got more.

While I have no argument with the majority of what you have stated and I will not argue the things I disagree with, I feel that PP was actually posting concerns more than gripes. The items he posted are symptoms of a deeper rooted problem and if we do not deal with the cause we will always have symptoms of one kind or another.

I leave you with this paraphrase of scripture (it inconveniences me to have to look it up) In Him I LIVE and MOVE and have my BEING... Outside of Jesus Christ I do not have a life, a cause or an existence!



p.s. Tell Dee I said "HEY!"

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

A true saints life will revolve around God and His church. Seek ye first the kingdom of God.

Men build churches and say it's Gods work.

It's not the Kingdom of God.

The first important ministry one has is his family.

He that is married cares for the things of the world and how he may please his wife.

It's God, Family, Job then...........Church.

If you cant take care of your family don't get involved in a church.

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I guess our view depends on which side of the fence we live on.

The fact that there is perceived to be a fence is sad in and of itself!

Don't let the hand get upset because it is not a foot or the eye because it is not an ear. Rather let us all realize that each of is jointly fit and framed into the body for the purpose to which God has called us and while one may lead and one may follow they are both equally important and needed in the body!

[Whole Hearted]

I leave you with this paraphrase of scripture (it inconveniences me to have to look it up) In Him I LIVE and MOVE and have my BEING... Outside of Jesus Christ I do not have a life, a cause or an existence!
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[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

A true saints life will revolve around God and His church. Seek ye first the kingdom of God.

I agree but I don't believe God's church is in four walls of a building.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Men build churches and say it's Gods work.

It's not the Kingdom of God.

The first important ministry one has is his family.

He that is married cares for the things of the world and how he may please his wife.

It's God, Family, Job then...........Church.

If you cant take care of your family don't get involved in a church.

If one truly loves his family he will not only provide for physical need but also spiritual one. If ones doesn't get their families in church and involved in church he doesn't truly love them. Everything that money can buy will pass away, but the things of God are eternal.

One cannot be saved without a preacher.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by philjones

The fact that there is perceived to be a fence is sad in and of itself!

Don't let the hand get upset because it is not a foot or the eye because it is not an ear. Rather let us all realize that each of is jointly fit and framed into the body for the purpose to which God has called us and while one may lead and one may follow they are both equally important and needed in the body!

I agree!

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I agree but I don't believe God's church is in four walls of a building.

Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together.

Originally Posted by philjones

I leave you with this paraphrase of scripture (it inconveniences me to have to look it up) In Him I LIVE and MOVE and have my BEING... Outside of Jesus Christ I do not have a life, a cause or an existence!

I'll leave you with this...

In Christ, yes! But not "church" as we know it today.