Apostolic Women...Apostolic Nuns...

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have noticed judgmentalism is not the sole property of cons!! Libs do exactly what they condemn us of.

Ain't it the truth.

[Nahum]

Why is the blue denim whales stuff offensive, and this thread isn't?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

Me thinks you are watching too much TV and are developing a warped mindset. In the first sentence you tell us she is working with HIV positive patients which would clue me in that this woman is somebody uniquely special no matter what she is wearing.

Giving comfort and support to an HIV postive patient is most likely a more difficult and emotionally draining situation than just dealing with a person who isn't sick at the time. It must be gut wrenching.

Consider that the habit she wears isn't to convey that she is better than anyone else but rather it identifies her with a group whose values and mission she embraces.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.

I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.

I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!!

Maybe it due to no fashion sense. One can't go wrong wearing black....

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

Why more nuns than priests and monks? Just a guess. But the requirement of celibacy may be harder on men given their testosterone levels; especially since the decision is usually made in one's youth.

Could be more Apostolic women are active in church (if true) because more men work full time + some and thus have greater time constraints.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.

I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.

I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!!

There are more women in ALL churches so there are more women active in ALL churches, not just the Apostolic churches. Catholics don't call each other brothers and sisters, only those who are "in the ministry" do that and then only certain ones as it is a title like reverend or pastor is in other religions.

I don't know if Catholic nuns do not all shun makeup and none of them wear uncut hair. They also don't all wear skirts only. That is a uniform they wear and often they have very short hair undreneath that "veil" they wear...perhaps that is because they are vestal virgins of old absorbed by the Roman church.

Ask her next time if when she is not on duty or if she is ever out in street clothes if she wears any amount of makeup or jewelry

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I am one of those plain-faced women, so think what you may.

Carp dances to the beat of a different drummer. Is it wrong that he does that - no. Can we understand that - yes. That's all I meant.

He thinks outside the box and sometimes just thinks outloud to us.

I just don't understand why everyone is sooo defensive. There are post on here all the time that just because I cut my hair that I'm a Jezebel. I take that with a grain of salt - - I don't get all defensive everytime I read it.

Renda, you are right on the money, the fact that I dance instead of march to the beat of a different drummer is testimony enough.

All I was saying was that I observed the same sort of attitude in this women who has no qualms about dressing in her habit (based on a committment to God) but that there is a certain...something about her countenance that I have observed to be present in Apostolic women as they present themselves in public. The simple message is that I am holy, committed to God, etc...and you are not.

Is that not the true and honest message of separation?


...be honest.


...just thinking out loud.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Newman

Me thinks you are watching too much TV and are developing a warped mindset. In the first sentence you tell us she is working with HIV positive patients which would clue me in that this woman is somebody uniquely special no matter what she is wearing.

Giving comfort and support to an HIV postive patient is most likely a more difficult and emotionally draining situation than just dealing with a person who isn't sick at the time. It must be gut wrenching.

Consider that the habit she wears isn't to convey that she is better than anyone else but rather it identifies her with a group whose values and mission she embraces.

You are absolutely right, my respect for her reaches to the moon. But then again, so what, they are only good works with no redemptive or salvific merit in the grand scheme of things....right?

I found out today that she is of the same sect as Mother Theresa.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It is outrageous. Apparently he gave credence to this OUTRAGEOUS thought, and posted it.

Well, I have a tendency to think and consider things that are waaaay outside the mainstream mode of thought but only because I have been trained that thinking outside the theological and traditional box is pretty much sin.

I didn't condemn anyone, I am just saying, I saw and considered a parallel, regardless of how outrageous the thought was.

I see parallels of other things all the time, but they are not pertinent to this forum.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Newman

Why more nuns than priests and monks? Just a guess. But the requirement of celibacy may be harder on men given their testosterone levels; especially since the decision is usually made in one's youth.

Could be more Apostolic women are active in church (if true) because more men work full time + some and thus have greater time constraints.

I don't believe any of these are legitmate excuses or justifications for men not stepping up to the plate in spiritual matters. It is just as difficult for women to be celibate, and today men and women are in the workplace and women not only particate in secular work but carry the majority of household chores also.