Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?

[tv1a]

What a salvo!!!!

Although gr pretty well lost me about halfway through his statement of faith. I have to give the devil his due. At the end of all that mess he has a link to get you to convert to messianic judiasm.

Originally Posted by Sam

Is this an acceptable statement of faith?
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/statement.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by tv1a

My initial question is are you planning to visit Shreveport soon?


(1)
Your posts brings up serious warning flags. Contrary to popular belief, there is more to the Bible than Acts 2:38.
(2)
There are people who don't get salvation right, but they are on target on holy living, being fruitful christians, etc. We greatly do the body of Christ a disservice by discounting other denominations. I go to a Church of Christ college for my bachelor's degree. No one could pay me to attend an upci Bible college, truth or no truth. While I haven't change my doctrinal beliefs, my walk with God has been dramatically changed for the better by reading books from John Stott, CS Lewis, and from getting a fresh perspective from another view.

(3)
Your post exposed the fact many believe truth to be exclusive. Truth by definition is universal. John 3:16 is universal in any denomination. If truth is not universal, than it ceases to be truth. That's why I can visit a methodist church, go to a christmas mass at a catholic church, worship at World Harvest Church, pray at the nation's capitol with thousands of other people.

(4)
We may have a key peice of the puzzle, but it isn't the only piece.

(1)
Wow! Next I'll be said to be sounding like an ultra con-- and that would just be funny!!!

(2)
I did not discount their denomination. However, a "Church of Christ" is not the place where I believe the Lord would send me to seek His face. Neither do I have any desire at all to attend their services, from the little bit I do know about them. I didn't say they were unsaved, but I guess we can learn a lot from those clean living and holy LDS folks too. Hey most JW's are clean living, maybe I can learn from them too!

See the fallacy in your argument? Which is why I stand by my assertion: it is better for a church to outline their doctrinal views so as to not leave any question to what they believe.

Had the church in question done so, this thread would not exist.

(3)
I disagree with your assertion. I know that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is by nature, exclusive and down right offensive.

(4)
I agree with you, but I usually avoid the Catholics, but that's just me.

Personally, the TRUTH is Repentance, water baptism by immersion in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost as promised to all believers. This TRUTH is Biblical and historically documented to be the same TRUTH of the church fathers.

And I also believe there are those who may not have every aspect of this TRUTH who are still saved.

But my whole gist is this: if one is clear, then situations like this are avoided all together!

[tv1a]

Do you believe the only preachers who can feed you have to believe the same things you do?

I don't believe in catholicism, but I bought a book by Pope John Paul that challenged me to more of a witness. I bought a book about a lady who gave up a high class lifestyle to become a nun in one of the worst prisons in Mexico. Our doctrinal statements are miles apart, but hey ministered to me. If it were my choice between going to a church whose doctrinal statement is different than mine and staying home, I'd go to church. I am strong enough in my convictions that the differences won't sway me.

We've visited the Methodist church up the block from our house when we couldn't get to our church due to inclimate weather. God moves in a methodist church as well as in a pentecostal church.

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok, let's pretend this is fair. I'm a single mom with 4 kids. Going to church at all is a nightmare. I'm also desperate to be fed while at church. Ok. That's two strikes against visiting church after church just to find one that has a doctrine I can agree with.

FWIW, I'm not a church hopper. I don't post about the reason I left the church I did, because it doesn't really matter. Some people here go to churches like that and they're happy, some like me, have left churches like that because they weren't going to be ok there.

I did finally find a church, online, and moved 2000 miles to attend it. Crazy, I know, but I wouldn't change it for anything.

A website reaching the unsaved is an interesting idea. I'm not so sure it'd work very well, but it's interesting all the same. You do realize that the doctrinal statement is usually hidden pretty well on most church sites, right? And, you do realize that most people looking at a church website didn't stumble on it, they're looking for it, and the sort of people who are looking for a church online are probably going to be the people to whom a doctrinal statement does matter.



Or move 2000 miles to attend the church... But that wasn't anything about the church website, it was about the people in the church who I met and got to know.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by CC1

Can you point out one instance where a 1 stepper has gotten irritated and/or defensive moreso than 3 steppers?

The only people I know of that get defensive over a vague statement that appears to be 1 stepper are those that are actually 3 steppers but trying to put forth a vague statement of faith that is as inclusive as possible so as not to run off possible visitors before they even darken the doors of the church.

Why in the world would a true one stepper be defensive over their SOF?

No, I don't wish to point out particular examples.
However, I stand behind my statement/assertion 110%, based on what I've observed multiple times both on this forum, and away from it.

Have a nice night.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

I noticed that Suber's church website has a statement of faith that sounds like a one stepper. I thought that might be shocking to his many fans. Of course it could be the statement from when it was under the previous pastor but I can't imagine that pastor giving the church to someone doctrinally different than himself.

Here is the church website;

http://faithtabernacleshreveport.org/

Not Again?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you believe the only preachers who can feed you have to believe the same things you do?

No. But I want to know a little bit about their background, i.e. beliefs before I allow myself to be influenced by whatever it is they have to say.

satan is so deceptive. Sister/Brother, we have to be careful as to who we let speak into our lives. satan did not come to Eve with bold lies and he won't come to us with bold lies either.

Please, be careful. Not every "christian" is our brother or sister.
The Bible says there are those who will be deceived and will deceive others.

[tv1a]

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. No man cometh untio the Father, but by me is an universal truth. Acts 2:38 is an universal truth. No demoniation has a monopoly on truth. There is more to truth than acts 2:38. My KJV, NLT, NIV, The Message, BLT versions all have 66 books in them. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water because someone's doctrinal statement looks funny to me.

Originally Posted by 1399

(1)
Wow! Next I'll be said to be sounding like an ultra con-- and that would just be funny!!!

Personally, the TRUTH is Repentance, water baptism by immersion in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost as promised to all believers. This TRUTH is Biblical and historically documented to be the same TRUTH of the church fathers.

And I also believe there are those who may not have every aspect of this TRUTH who are still saved.

But my whole gist is this: if one is clear, then situations like this are avoided all together!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

No, I don't wish to point out particular examples.
However, I stand behind my statement/assertion 110%, based on what I've observed multiple times both on this forum, and away from it.

Have a nice night.

Your posts usually make a lot of sense but I am still puzzled by your assertion here.

Give me one logical reasin a 1 stepper would have to be irritated or defensive about their statement of faith? That makes no sense and I have NEVER seen it.

I would expect both 3 steppers and 1 steppers to be content with their statements of faith since it reflects what they actually believe.

The only ones who should not be content are ones who might camaflague their true beliefs in some vague statement.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you believe the only preachers who can feed you have to believe the same things you do?

I don't believe in catholicism, but I bought a book by Pope John Paul that challenged me to more of a witness. I bought a book about a lady who gave up a high class lifestyle to become a nun in one of the worst prisons in Mexico. Our doctrinal statements are miles apart, but hey ministered to me. If it were my choice between going to a church whose doctrinal statement is different than mine and staying home, I'd go to church. I am strong enough in my convictions that the differences won't sway me.

We've visited the Methodist church up the block from our house when we couldn't get to our church due to inclimate weather. God moves in a methodist church as well as in a pentecostal church.

I hear ya. God is God no matter where He is. But there are some things I need right now, and I'm not willing to settle *right now*. I'm not strong enough in my convictions at this time that I wouldn't be swayed. And, I have an awful lot to lose if I were to go back to my past. I'm not willing to risk it.

And no, my pastor doesn't believe exactly like I believe. As a matter of fact, he challenges my beliefs frequently. But I trust him, and I know that what he's teaching is true, and I know that I'm finding my footing and that a foundation is being established. Those are the things I desperately need.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok, let's pretend this is fair. I'm a single mom with 4 kids. Going to church at all is a nightmare. I'm also desperate to be fed while at church. Ok. That's two strikes against visiting church after church just to find one that has a doctrine I can agree with.

FWIW, I'm not a church hopper. I don't post about the reason I left the church I did, because it doesn't really matter. Some people here go to churches like that and they're happy, some like me, have left churches like that because they weren't going to be ok there.

I did finally find a church, online, and moved 2000 miles to attend it. Crazy, I know, but I wouldn't change it for anything.

A website reaching the unsaved is an interesting idea. I'm not so sure it'd work very well, but it's interesting all the same. You do realize that the doctrinal statement is usually hidden pretty well on most church sites, right? And, you do realize that most people looking at a church website didn't stumble on it, they're looking for it, and the sort of people who are looking for a church online are probably going to be the people to whom a doctrinal statement does matter.

Good post.
And when someone is relocating to a new city or state, they will often look at a church's website (and statement of faith) to see if that's a church they and/or their family might like to to attend.
Those people are not "church hoppers".

Not to mention that I've seen many Apostolics over the years who were away from home on business for a few days, or a weekend, and wanted to look up a church to go to that Sunday while they're in town. Most Apostolics I know wouldn't want to go to a church on Sunday morning and then realize the church is not Apostolic.

Again, these people are not church hoppers, and they generally appreciate it when a church has a clear statement of faith on their website.