An Obama Presidency: What's At Stake - Page 4

Pressing-On · #31 06-28-2008, 11:41 AM

This point is what McCain is going to use to represent his campaign here on out - Putting country first.

More people trust McCain to protect our country and on how to finish Iraq or guide the rest of the rebuilding process.

This is an excellent ad put out by McCain.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_purpose.html

Obama fip-flops on the FISA Bill, NAFTA, Wright, public financing pledge, etc.

At least for some of McCain's flip-flops and some were because times are changing, drilling for example, at least he can stand and truly say - Putting country first.

I don't trust Obama when he tries to say that. I must honestly say that he, as a black man, has had a better show of personal representation than Jackson, Sharpton, et al. At least we are making headway in that area. Colin Powell and Condi Rice are par excellent, in my opinion.

vrblackwell · #32 06-28-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I am very aware of the distinctions,bro. It is a convenient distinction, IMO. Especially when everyone and their mother knows we're fighting an undeclared war on terror and people in a specific region - Afghanistan/Iraq.

My point again ... was that I do have some issues w/ this decision ... which I stated before ... however it is the tone and intent of the first post thread that categorically said Terrorists have the same legal rights as Americans and therefore somehow a vote for Obama is a vote that tilts the Court to anarchy ... an apocalyptic catastrophe.

I have pointed out that it dealt w/ due process and habeas corpus ... which has been an issue even in the Civil War.

We could debate the finer aspects of it ... however each body of our gov't has sought to bring checks and balances in an issue that is new to us ... while still keeping the integrity we have continued to show the world that we are a cut above.

My example was not to again to discuss the finer aspects of the specific law in question but once again ... this notion that if I am a conservative I have to disagree w/ this decision ... I'm sorry but I won't ...

I gave that example in response to DB stating:

It's statements like these that are making those who are supporting McCain just on his party affiliation seem extreme when we all know he's held multiple positions and multiple issues .... including for abortions, Verlon. All the while making Obama ... McCain's foil ....
when you and I both know that's not accurate based on McCain's fluid track record. Do we even know if McCain is a conservative? Geez, Louise.

Statements like a vote for Obama is a vote for partial birth abortions... or even better ... murder and "not reflecting Christ".... is just the tip of the iceberg of the nonsense rhetoric being spewed in the name of a man who has proven to waffle on issues, especially moral ones, important to all of us in the conservative camp.

Later on in this thread even DB conceded that some child rapists should live based on various situations.

I still uphold the notion as a libertarian at heart that the punishment does not fit the crime and I do not have to gravitate toward fascism to keep my conservative label to do so.

If my views have done anything in this thread at least the author of it no longer believes all child rapists should die and wants exceptions to the rule based on ages of the offenders and offendees..... even if they are adults or legally children... *wink*

And conversely ... now believes if some child rapists live that's justice.

I refuse to let talk radio and my party card/koolaid formulate my opinions, talking points or decisions.
In this thread I vote for common sense over hyperbole.

Lastly DB .... I don't lose my conservative label if I believe in due process even for the least of these or refuse to execute someone who I believe will receive a fairer form of retribution with an appropriate yet harsh sentence. It sounded cute, however.

Keeping in mind that I'm willing to personally execute any sexual offender who commits this offense followed by murdering the victim. Conservative enough?

Danial, I actually agree with you about death for a child rapist. I believe if proven guilty they should be castrated and put in jail for life. I am not against the death penalty for murder because scripture is clear that "God uses governments to carry out his vengeance on the wicked". However, as a Christian it is not my place to wish death upon someone but rather new life.

As far as McCain and abortion. He is definitely not a conservative on many issues. However, he has a long and very pro life voting record when it comes to the murder of babies. Obama cannot say that.

McCain's voting record

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53270

When I vote, my first priority is not on economics, although I tend to agree more with republicans on this issue. I vote on moral issues sch as right to life, the definition of marriage and such. Government does not meet my physical needs through their policies, God will always be the one to those needs, if I do my part and vote in favor of righteousness.

When you look at moral issues, McCain is much more in line with were Christians should be then Obama is. I have never voted for someone who supports abortion and will not. I don't care what party they are in.

I stand by what I said. One who votes for a man who supports such wicked sin is helping to take part in that sin.

Pressing-On · #33 06-28-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

Danial, I actually agree with you about death for a child rapist. I believe if proven guilty they should be castrated and put in jail for life. I am not against the death penalty for murder because scripture is clear that "God uses governments to carry out his vengeance on the wicked". However, as a Christian it is not my place to wish death upon someone but rather new life.

As far as McCain and abortion. He is definitely not a conservative on many issues. However, he has a long and very pro life voting record when it comes to the murder of babies. Obama cannot say that.

McCain's voting record

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53270

When I vote, my first priority is not on economics, although I tend to agree more with republicans on this issue. I vote on moral issues sch as right to life, the definition of marriage and such. Government does not meet my physical needs through their policies, God will always be the one to those needs, if I do my part and vote in favor of righteousness.

When you look at moral issues, McCain is much more in line with were Christians should be then Obama is. I have never voted for someone who supports abortion and will not. I don't care what party they are in.

I stand by what I said. One who votes for a man who supports such wicked sin is helping to take part in that sin.

Excellent post, VB!

Pressing-On · #34 06-28-2008, 01:02 PM

Glad to see some college students are intelligent enough to want to know the platform before deciding!!!

http://www.palestra.net/news/politics

McCain speaking at Xavier.

http://www.palestra.net/news/politics

Pressing-On · #35 06-28-2008, 05:55 PM

Poetic words by Peggy Noonan.

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Everyone in New York is saying, "What will happen?" "How do you see it?" "Who will win?" In this year of all years, who knows? My sense of it:

The campaign will grind along until a series of sharp moments. Maybe they will come in the debates. Things will move along, Mr. Obama in the lead. And then, just a few weeks out from the election, something will happen: America will look up and see the inevitability of Mr. Obama, that Mr. Obama has already been "elected," in a way, and America will say, Hey, wait a second, are we sure we want that? And it will tighten indeed.

The race has a subtext, a historic encounter between the Old America and the New, and suddenly the Old America—those who are literally old, who married a guy who fought at the Chosin Reservoir, and those not so old who yet remember, and cherish, the special glories of the Old—will rise, and join in, and make themselves heard. They will not leave without a fight.

And on that day John McCain will suddenly make it a race, as if moved by them and wanting to come through for them one last time. And then on down to the wire. And then . . .

And then. What a year, what an election. It continues to confound and to bedazzle.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

I agree with her!