Remind Us Again Why We Ignore this Passage - Page 4

freeatlast · #31 03-23-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior81680

Five, the only way the disciples baptized in the Book of Acts, which was the beginning of the Church, was in the name of the Lord, the Lord Jesus, or Jesus. Never was there a mention of the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is because baptism in Jesus name is the fulfillment of Matthew 28:19.

Is that any help?

Nope. Fulfilment of Mathew 28:19 ?? All the Acts accounts of baptism had allready taken place long before Mathew ever penned the words in his gospel.

Mathew wrote those words in the telling of Christs commands ans said "Father Son and Holy Ghost"

Luke reported the same account saying, "that repentance and remissiion of sins should be preached in his name beginning at jersalem"

Mark records the same event and says, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...

Three accounts of the very same event and everyone worded and told differently.

All three written several years into the history of the church,

The apostles were not nearly as excited about "exact" wording of their accounts of baptism as WE are.

I say again ,,we are much more excited about this than Jesus is.

For those of us who say it's got to be said exactly or no sins are remitted.

You might want to do some further study of the NAME.

Most scholars agree we got it translated wrong as Jesus..in our english language it should have been translated, Yeshua (sp)

Again , just my thoughts here.. I baptize saying, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and God 's word say's you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

warrior81680 · #32 03-23-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Nope. Fulfilment of Mathew 28:19 ?? All the Acts accounts of baptism had allready taken place long before Mathew ever penned the words in his gospel.

Mathew wrote those words in the telling of Christs commands ans said "Father Son and Holy Ghost"

Luke reported the same account saying, "that repentance and remissiion of sins should be preached in his name beginning at jersalem"

Mark records the same event and says, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...

Three accounts of the very same event and everyone worded and told differently.

All three written several years into the history of the church,

The apostles were not nearly as excited about "exact" wording of their accounts of baptism as WE are.

I say again ,,we are much more excited about this than Jesus is.

For those of us who say it's got to be said exactly or no sins are remitted.

You might want to do some further study of the NAME.

Most scholars agree we got it translated wrong as Jesus..in our english language it should have been translated, Yeshua (sp)

Again , just my thoughts here.. I baptize saying, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and God 's word say's you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Take my WHOLE post, freeatlast, not just parse it. Thanks!

GL, you have it right!

mizpeh · #33 03-23-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Matthew 28:19-20

So, Jesus told the eleven to do something (baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). Then he told them to teach them (all nations, i.e., you and me) to do likewise. So, Peter knew better than Jesus how to accomplish (the fulfillment) that particular thing? Peter must have thought, "Hmm. When Jesus said to baptize like that, what He really meant was this. I'll correct His error." Is that correct?

How about this Peter knew exactly what Jesus meant when He commanded them to baptize in the NAME...singular...and the apostles obeyed the Lord. You can't be serious in saying Peter and Philip and Paul etc all disobeyed the Lord. That would mean Jesus wasted three years of instruction on these men! And that our Trinitarian friends got it right over 250 years later!

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: ....

Lu 24:47, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Acts 8:12, Acts 8:16.......

Check out these scriptures to start and then do your own search on baptism, remission of the sins, the name of Jesus Christ. It is best when you search the scriptures on your own. See for yourself what the Bible says, then bring forth questions like : Why in the book of Acts wasn't anyone baptized in the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? What happens when we are baptized? Why is the name of Jesus Christ important in baptism? etc...But to say the apostles disobeyed Christ is completely way off base. Their teachings are the foundation of our faith with Jesus being the chief cornerstone.

OGIA · #34 03-23-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Most scholars agree we got it translated wrong as Jesus..in our english language it should have been translated, Yeshua (sp)

Again , just my thoughts here.. I baptize saying, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and God 's word say's you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

You believe the name is wrong, yet you use it?

Falla39 · #35 03-23-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

(As I asked in another thread)

Are we disobeying Acts 2:38 if we baptize using the wording in Matthew 28:19?

Take your check to the bank and sign it with father, son and friend, etc.

No, you won't get results because that is not your name. Our name is our

identify. It is our sign...our signature!!! We were named at birth or shortly

thereafter! Where did we get our family name! From our father! Jesus did

too!

Blessings,

Falla39

freeatlast · #36 03-23-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

You believe the name is wrong, yet you use it?

Didn't say I agreed with the "Yeshua teaching" ..just amking a point.

My point is that it's US that are so concerned over this subject and not God.

I know this is a Jesus Only forum so I will make no further attempts at reason.

Ya all carry on.

warrior81680 · #37 03-23-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior81680

A couple of thoughts come to mind. First, Jesus did command this to be done. No question concerning that.

Two, His Word is truth (John 17:17).

Three, He prayed for the disciples and those who would believe on Him through their word in John 17:18-20.

Four, Peter preached the need for baptism in Jesus name on the Day of Pentecost, with all the other eleven agreeing with him.

Five, the only way the disciples baptized in the Book of Acts, which was the beginning of the Church, was in the name of the Lord, the Lord Jesus, or Jesus. Never was there a mention of the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is because baptism in Jesus name is the fulfillment of Matthew 28:19.

Now, if the disciples were the "preachers of the message", did they preach and practice the right or wrong message?

If it was the wrong one, then we are all in trouble, because we are supposed to believe on Christ through their word.

In light of these facts, I firmly believe the disciples preached and practiced the right message.

Is that any help?

Were the disciples right or wrong?

BTW, freeatlast, it appears you might not be sure, so you don't want to take a chance...

This is written with all respect.

OGIA · #38 03-23-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

I will make no further attempts at reason.

Good, because your first few weren't very good.

mizpeh · #39 03-23-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Take your check to the bank and sign it with father, son and friend, etc.

No, you won't get results because that is not your name. Our name is our

identify. It is our sign...our signature!!! We were named at birth or shortly

thereafter! Where did we get our family name! From our father! Jesus did

too!

Blessings,

Falla39

AMEN!!!!:

ManOfWord · #40 03-23-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Didn't say I agreed with the "Yeshua teaching" ..just amking a point.

My point is that it's US that are so concerned over this subject and not God.

I know this is a Jesus Only forum so I will make no further attempts at reason.

Ya all carry on.

I know exactly what you're saying, FAL, and I agree with you. Your facts are correct and you are just making a point. Good point. I don't agree with the "Yeshua" teaching either, but if some folks are going to make the name a "talisman" then they can't correctly use the "Grecian" form of Yeshua, which is Jesus. Actually, it is not even Jesus, it is spelled with an "I."