Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by revrandy
Nehemiah wasn't just rebuilding a Wall..but he was rebuilding a Nation...
Without Walls Nations fall....
Just ask Randy and Paula White...
ugh..the walls of Jericho were 40' thick and they fell. When God gets ready to destroy our preconceived cock eyed notions, nothing will withhold his hand from penetrating our stupid insignificant immature barriers.
Only insecure tribalistic people need barriers, not the body of Christ. Jesus tore down every wall and partition...remember? Oh well, let me remind you...
Ephesians 2
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by staysharp
ugh..the walls of Jericho were 40' thick and they fell. When God gets ready to destroy our preconceived cock eyed notions, nothing will withhold his hand from penetrating our stupid insignificant immature barriers.
Only insecure tribalistic people need barriers, not the body of Christ. Jesus tore down every wall and partition...remember? Oh well, let me remind you...
Ephesians 2
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
LOL! classic
one who would confuse the walls that seperate man from his God and the walls that seperate the righteous from false doctrine needs to spend more in study and less time in instruction.
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Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Thank you Ferd.
My simple point is this.
There are some things Jesus won't tolerate in His church. If we cross over into forbidden doctrines He will warn us, discipline us and, if we do not repent, cut us off.
To the pastors he wrote "I will remove your candlestick." (Church)
To the saints he wrote "I will blot your name."
Jesus expects conformity to His Word and commands. We can not come down from Kingdom building. We are building a Kingdom upon the foundation he laid, and with the tools he provides.
It would be foolish to come down from these walls.
Two central Truths must be held to.
1. The New Birth message.
2. The Deity of Jesus Christ.
These things ought not be tampered with.
PP,
I think I understand the principles you are pointing us to consider.
My question was established in the reality that God is making his own habitation without the hands of man being involved. The new tabernacle is a body.
So whatever is needful, whatever should be attended to with vigilance, is entirely within the construct of our own imaginations and resultant conduct.
Are you proposing a separation (some barrier to mobility) be maintained in our physical conduct with other humans?
You have pointed/asked us to consider, that there are two warnings, one for pastors and one for the entire membership. I have trouble reconciling that a man, operating in the gifting of a pastor, can trump, or in some other fashion, alter what is mine in God.
Whatever should be being builded and maintained is within my roles and callings pertaining to the body of Christ. This is why I am trying to understand your perspective of how the ministration of these walls is lived out in the life of the individual member of God's Christ.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by tbpew
PP,
I think I understand the principles you are pointing us to consider.
My question was established in the reality that God is making his own habitation without the hands of man being involved. The new tabernacle is a body.
So whatever is needful, whatever should be attended to with vigilance, is entirely within the construct of our own imaginations and resultant conduct.
Are you proposing a separation (some barrier to mobility) be maintained in our physical conduct with other humans?
You have pointed/asked us to consider, that there are two warnings, one for pastors and one for the entire membership. I have trouble reconciling that a man, operating in the gifting of a pastor, can trump, or in some other fashion, alter what is mine in God.
Whatever should be being builded and maintained is within my roles and callings pertaining to the body of Christ. This is why I am trying to understand your perspective of how the ministration of these walls is lived out in the life of the individual member of God's Christ.
it seems to me the PPs comments were less about the efforts of Nehemiah to repair the breach and more about a warning to the people of God to beware the voice of Sanballat.
have we been so conditioned by these forums to believe everything is about standards and thus not be capable of hearing what is actually being said?
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Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by Ferd
it seems to me the PPs comments were less about the efforts of Neihmiah to repair the breach and more about a warning to the people of God to beware the voice of Sanballat.
have we been so conditioned by these forums to believe everything is about standards and thus not be capable of hearing what is actually being said?
Ferd,
I have not once considered that PP is advocating a well-maintained demarcation using outward standards.
I am just trying to explore if it pertains to the fellowship of people or imaginations. I understand that there comes a point when the two seem inseparable, but I am hopeful that there is way that spiritually-minded folks can some day cease from wrestling with flesh and blood.
The thread proposes the need to consider the challenges that come against our confidence in the working of our purposed role in Christ. So fine, that battleline is fully fought in our imaginations.
I really do still believe that each of us are going to answer to our own master, so whether some nut-job or some carnal zealot agrees or disagrees with me does not matter. What matters is whether or not I am attached to the vine; the source of life.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
Re: If Nehemiah Were in the Twenty-First Century..
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
More verbal gymnastics.
You would play the role of Sanballat or Tobiah, and say "come down?"
"Be like everyone else."
"Your walls are silly."
PP, the problem here is that you believe your interpretation of what Jesus will disallow in his church is really what Jesus would disallow. You are essentially telling Jesus what he can and cannot or will not accept based on what you only THINK he meant.
While I agree with your two points, I also agree with what someone else said that lots of people believe that and you would still toss them out of your city on their ear.
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