Bro Suber's controversial sermon

[augustianian]

Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

J. Suber recently preached a message where he told folks he was going to blow up their nostrils and the cancer cells would leave their body?


It's in this message somewhere:

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/content/view/112/167/

And here is the direct quote: "The principle the Lord taught me years ago: Life is in the blood. When God breathed into Adam, he became a living soul. So, I just tell people, I'm gonna blow up your nose. I want you to sniff. The breath is gonna hit the cancer cells. The cancer cells are gonna die, and you're gonna live. People think I'm nuts, but I've got documentation after documentation."

I'd like to see that documentation. After having a father pass away from stomach cancer it is a little irritating to see these sophists "breathing" out silliness.

This is plain stupidity.

Wow! ! Alert the media...this man has cancer cell killing breath.

I bet his wife is happy about that.

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[triumphant1]

I rejoice in the fact that God uses human vessels to do his bidding on earth!

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Hmmmm.

Well, I'm hard-pressed to mock or question something, if folks are being healed. I seem to recall some pretty weird things in scripture, including mud-in-the-eye, passing shadows, and dipping in dirty rivers, to name a few.

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

There was an eldery black preacher who preached at our church a few times. He blew on people a few times.

Freaked people out so bad that during our church split they used this against the pastor and blamed him for it. It always amazes me that folks have no problem when a preacher screams in their face, pushes their head down, or shakes them that they have no problem but let a man do something that we are not used to and we lose our mind.

Originally Posted by keith4him

I am all of for this type of ministry, for example TW Barnes making a Demon Possessed Woman drink water that he stuck his finger in caused her to have delieverance, Jesus and the mud, the issue is when we make it a practice.

Apostolics always has a tendency to take something or a method that God uses and make it a brazen serpent.

Obviously JS is experienced and keen enough to know that w/o the spirit's leading and direction in doing this he at best is giving someone a less than elevated rescue breath.

BUMP

[augustianian]

Originally Posted by keith4him

I am all of for this type of ministry, for example TW Barnes making a Demon Possessed Woman drink water that he stuck his finger in caused her to have delieverance, Jesus and the mud, the issue is when we make it a practice.

Apostolics always has a tendency to take something or a method that God uses and make it a brazen serpent.

Obviously JS is experienced and keen enough to know that w/o the spirit's leading and direction in doing this he at best is giving someone a less than elevated rescue breath.

TW Barnes prayed for my father (over the phone, does that count?). My father died.

Another "prophet" asked my father if he wanted to be healed (a dumb question) and if he answered yes then God would heal him. He answered yes...God didn't heal him.

I put no stock in any "prophet."

Of course the "prophet" and their defenders can always use their escape route by saying "He just didn't have enough faith."

Whatever.

Sorry if I actually believe I Thessalonians 5:21

...and proving it requires more than word of mouth, or the excited pronouncements of a preacher.

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[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by augustianian

TW Barnes prayed for my father (over the phone, does that count?). My father died.

Another "prophet" asked my father if he wanted to be healed (a dumb question) and if he answered yes then God would heal him. He answered yes...God didn't heal him.

I put no stock in any "prophet."

Of course the "prophet" and their defenders can always use their escape route by saying "He just didn't have enough faith."

Whatever.

Sorry if I actually believe I Thessalonians 5:21

...and proving it requires more than word of mouth, or the excited pronouncements of a preacher.

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Sorry about your father.

Sounds as though you have a problem with the concept of divine healing and why every single person is not healed as opposed to the methodology.

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Sorry about your father.

Sounds as though you have a problem with the concept of divine healing and why every single person is not healed as opposed to the methodology.

i agree. i am sorry as well but people drove from all over just for bro barnes to pray with them for a few minutes...he had phone calls at all hours from people all over the world. true he was just a vessel but he had the gift of faith like none other. i never heard about him sticking his finger in a glass of water though. i am a skeptic by nature but when that man said something...i took it to heart! all people are not going to be healed...don't know why but just the way it is.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by augustianian

TW Barnes prayed for my father (over the phone, does that count?). My father died.

Another "prophet" asked my father if he wanted to be healed (a dumb question) and if he answered yes then God would heal him. He answered yes...God didn't heal him.

I put no stock in any "prophet."

Of course the "prophet" and their defenders can always use their escape route by saying "He just didn't have enough faith."

Whatever.

Sorry if I actually believe I Thessalonians 5:21

...and proving it requires more than word of mouth, or the excited pronouncements of a preacher.

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The following is not as much in response to this thread...it is in response to this one post!

I will admit that I do not understand why every person is not healed...but I do not blame the faith of the one sick...I see it more as a God thing.

Even Jesus left some sick at times...look at the pool of Bethesda..only one was healed out of the many that gathered there waiting for the water to move...

How many more blind were there during Jesus' ministry that remained blind?

How many funerals were not stopped?

How many tombs remained closed?

Many more than were opened for sure.

I have personally prayed for cancer victims and watched God miraculously take it away instantly...and just a few short weeks later, with the same hand, same voice, same faith, pray over a cancer victim only to see it remain...

I don't understand that in my flesh...but I know healing is in God's will--not mine..and it does not stop me from pushing for a miracle next time...I continue to pray...the healing is up to God.

I will close this little thing with this...If God tells me to blow on someone and they will be healed...I will blow with all my might!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by augustianian

TW Barnes prayed for my father (over the phone, does that count?). My father died.

Another "prophet" asked my father if he wanted to be healed (a dumb question) and if he answered yes then God would heal him. He answered yes...God didn't heal him.

I put no stock in any "prophet."

Of course the "prophet" and their defenders can always use their escape route by saying "He just didn't have enough faith."

Whatever.

Sorry if I actually believe I Thessalonians 5:21

...and proving it requires more than word of mouth, or the excited pronouncements of a preacher.

a

Sorry about your dad!

Did everyone the Apostles pray for get healed, well we don't know because not everyone they prayed for is recorded in scripture.

We do know that James didn't get delivered, Paul suffered from some ailment, Timothy a instestinal disorder, Tromphius left at home sick, I am sure there are others.

But many got healed, Peter got delivered, Paul handled some snakes, Publius got his healing, Dorcas left heaven after just arriving.

My job isn't to determine who gets healed or delievered, my job is to preach and pray that the kingdom has come and is available in this present reality, how much of it that I or other's experience is the King's job.

Originally Posted by augustianian

TW Barnes prayed for my father (over the phone, does that count?). My father died.

Another "prophet" asked my father if he wanted to be healed (a dumb question) and if he answered yes then God would heal him. He answered yes...God didn't heal him.

I put no stock in any "prophet."

Of course the "prophet" and their defenders can always use their escape route by saying "He just didn't have enough faith."

Whatever.

Sorry if I actually believe I Thessalonians 5:21

...and proving it requires more than word of mouth, or the excited pronouncements of a preacher.

a

Augustinian,

Did this unfortunate event occur before or after your move toward reformed teachings? Did your father's death to this dreaded disease in any way effect your doctrinal migraton?

Just curious... As before, please feel free to tell me to mind my own business!

[augustianian]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Sorry about your father.

Sounds as though you have a problem with the concept of divine healing and why every single person is not healed as opposed to the methodology.

Don't have a problem with divine healing at all.

I do have a problem with 50 percenters (a liberal percentage of a "prophet's" success) expecting 100 percent adherence from the flock, especially since they preach and teach the silliest things at times teetering on the brink of heresy.

Also, I have a problem when people equate my suspicion about "prophets'' and preachers that utter nonsensical statements with "Oh you don't believe that God can heal." How does that follow?? They equate such doubt with a soft atheism.

Yes GOD can heal...and the apostles are dead.

So, if it's not in the book then Im not bound to it..and Im not required to call such men "Men of God" nor am i bound to show them any more respect than what is required for any human being.

And if they're fleecing the flock...then they are to be exposed as dogs and regarded as such.