Ron Paul gains support in second GOP debate

[Digging4Truth]

Ron Paul is questioned on CNN "The Situation Room.

I think he did a great job.

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Originally Posted by crakjak

O, for want of true statesmen!

Great and true discourse by a true statesman and patriot!

If you agree with those quoted statements then you agree with Ron Paul.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

If you think that Islamic relations with Israel are based merely on disagreement, then you are woefully ignorant of history and politics both.

The current state of Israel was carved out of land that belonged to Muslims. I'm not here to debate the rightness or wrongness of that action, nor to criticize the current state of Israel. They are the "freest" country in the Middle East, so I'm not going to denigrate them. But Islam's attitude goes deeper and is much more complex than a simple disagreement. And whether you want to admit it or not, our military and political support of Israel are a large part of why Muslim countries hate us. Its not because we're free and they hate freedom.



Illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with radical Islam being the single greatest threat to our nation. Unless you believe that these immigrants are practicioners of Islam.



Well, the ignorant policies of Europe did allow Hitler and Mussolini to come to power, but perhaps in different ways than you think. Britain and France were so intent on getting their pound of German flesh after WWI that they helped create a vaccuum into which Hitler stepped. And unfortunately, the United States, led by Woodrow Wilson, was so intent on getting an "alliance" (the League of Nations) that they let France and Britain cripple Germany and make it easy for Hitler to deceive the masses and rise to power. (Note--I'm not saying that the US, Britain and France are to blame for the Holocaust or WWII--only saying that a little more critical thinking and reticence to assert ourselves in Europe's problems might have made it much harder for Hitler to come to power).

Which leads me to believe that perhaps, if the U.S. would not be so anxious to insert itself in European affairs, we wouldn't have as much to worry about.

Not only that, but comparing what has happened in the United States with the Holocaust is a stretch of unimaginable proportions.

You have filtered everything I have said thru your view of the world and then feed it back with your twist to it, in essence putting words that I did not say in my mouth. I am quite sick of the M. Moore's of the world sucking up the resources of the freedom of this country and them demonizing everything that America does and has done.

Germany and Hitler are responsible for the Holocaust, and if the current radical Islamics are not resisted they will produce more Holocausts. You seem to believe if the US will just stay at home and go about our business that no one will bother us, I believe you are just as mistaken as Europe was then, and continues to be now. We live in a wicked world and we must resist those that will impose their will on others. The US does have rot within, but that does not mean I will turn traitor to my country of origin, and willingly give in to the wickedness from without.

Having said all that, and for Chan, I believe God is in control and will allow his purpose to be fulfilled in the earth. My hope is not in "...horses and chariots, but in the Living God."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Chan

Nothing will happen to this wicked world that contradicts Bible prophecy. The problem with what you and others like you are saying is that it displays an utter lack of faith in God and in what He through the prophets said is going to happen. And, no, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton do not support Ron Paul's type of foreign policy (Ron Paul's foreign policy was that of the founding fathers). They're just as globalist and interventionist as today's Republicans (though for different reasons).

Don't put words in my mouth, I know God will accomplish His purpose in this earth, and that is where my trust exist. I don't spend much time with the quacks in politics, be it GOP or Demos. But I will vote for what I believe is the lesser of evil that has a reasonable opportunity to win, I don't want to waste whatever small impact my one vote can have. That's my story and I will stick with it until I have better understanding. If you think you can enlighten me then have at it.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Chan

You do realize that we haven't even gotten to the primaries yet, don't you? The Demoncrats also have a slate of candidates from which their drones (er, um, I mean voters) have to choose. Yet, I don't hear you saying that having Barak Osama or Bill Richardson or John Edwards or some of the others in the race will divide the Demoncrats.

The Democrats are the more evil, I don't believe anyone of them. They oppose the very basics of human responsibility, so I don't give a rip what they do, I will not be voting for anyone of them.

But Ron Paul's view could very well turn GOP voters to the Democrats, by dividing and creating suspicion among the party faithful. Of course, the Democrats are Ron Paul's greatest fans.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Chan

If you agree with those quoted statements then you agree with Ron Paul.

Well, maybe he can have a positive impact on the GOP.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Ron Paul is questioned on CNN "The Situation Room.

I think he did a great job.

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I don't think he did even a good job, leans way to heavy on the 9-11 Report, which was biased by politicians covering their cans. The every person that pushed the wall between FBI and CIA, on the committee, typical beltway thinking.

Lambasting sanctions on Iraq, saying they cost thousands of Iraqi lives as if it was US fault. When the incompetent UN was undercutting and doing deals with Saddam. Saddam was a terrorist, and he was the cause of those lives being lost.

Yeah, just leave them alone and we will be safe.

[bishopnl]

You have filtered everything I have said thru your view of the world and then feed it back with your twist to it, in essence putting words that I did not say in my mouth. I am quite sick of the M. Moore's of the world sucking up the resources of the freedom of this country and them demonizing everything that America does and has done.

Way to argue your point. Compare me with Michael Moore and leave it at that.

I leave you in your blissfully unaware state. Between Democrats who think the American government was meant to be the sugar daddy for every have-not in this country, and Republicans thinking the American military was meant to be the savior of the world and the world's police force, I'm not sure either party getting voted in will be the "lesser" evil. It may end up just being evil of a different kind.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Don't put words in my mouth, I know God will accomplish His purpose in this earth, and that is where my trust exist. I don't spend much time with the quacks in politics, be it GOP or Demos. But I will vote for what I believe is the lesser of evil that has a reasonable opportunity to win, I don't want to waste whatever small impact my one vote can have. That's my story and I will stick with it until I have better understanding. If you think you can enlighten me then have at it.

There was nothing in my post that was putting words into YOUR mouth. I was writing in response to what you posted and, so, the words are entirely mine.

The problem with voting for the lesser of the evils, besides the fact that you're behaving like a stupid sheep that can't think for himself (which is exactly what the Democrats, Republicans and the media want you to do), is that people who could actually change the status quo get pushed aside. Candidates and political parties become viable when people vote for them!

Originally Posted by crakjak

The Democrats are the more evil, I don't believe anyone of them. They oppose the very basics of human responsibility, so I don't give a rip what they do, I will not be voting for anyone of them.

But Ron Paul's view could very well turn GOP voters to the Democrats, by dividing and creating suspicion among the party faithful. Of course, the Democrats are Ron Paul's greatest fans.

Do you realize that Ron Paul's views were the views Republicans ran on in 1994 when they won control of Congress? Do you realize that throughout the 1990s most of Ron Paul's views were mainstream Republican views?