If You Are A Disciple

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by 1 God

The pastor is Jesus’ type.

Care to clarify what you mean by that?

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Care to clarify what you mean by that?

As you have heard said, “If you give tithe you’re giving it to God”. The recipient of the tithe is in their words inadvertently saying, you are giving unto God as they collect it. So if you give them to the pastor you are giving unto God. He is a type of Christ to the believer. They use Hebrews 7 and the account of Melchizedek to uphold this idea.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I will fill in the blank with Melchizedek. Abraham gave him tithes. Jesus was his type. The pastor is Jesus’ type. The pastor gets tithes by default.

Wow. "types" in the O.T. were historical events with prophetic significance. If you mean a church pastor is the representation of Christ to the church that is almost like blasphemy.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Wow. "types" in the O.T. were historical events with prophetic significance. If you mean a church pastor is the representation of Christ to the church that is almost like blasphemy.

This is why we shouldn’t give tithes.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I will fill in the blank with Melchizedek. Abraham gave him tithes. Jesus was his type. The pastor is Jesus’ type. The pastor gets tithes by default.

Well . . . Actually not quite. Not even close really. I think you have to be speaking in jest.

Jesus was not Melchizedek’s type. It’s the other way around. The pastor is not Jesus’ type. Annnd it’s not the other way around.

Did Jesus receive tithes in the Bible?

Ever?

No. He didn’t. But he did tell us how to “give as unto the Lord”. He didn’t say give to the pastor either. In fact he never said that.

If you want to give as unto the Lord? Here’s how you do it. According to Jesus’ very own words.

Matthew 25

[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Now, I would like you to read this verrrry carefully. Where does it even mention the pastor? Or the preacher?

Of course, the pastor could also be hungry. He could be naked. He could be thirsty.

But . . .

Otherwise, according to the very words of Jesus, this is how giving to Him is done. I’d like to point out for they that are lacking understanding, who didn’t make this list. Pastors didn’t.

Glad I could help!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Wow. "types" in the O.T. were historical events with prophetic significance. If you mean a church pastor is the representation of Christ to the church that is almost like blasphemy.

Almost? I would say it is absolutely blasphemy. How would it not be?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I will fill in the blank with Melchizedek. Abraham gave him tithes. Jesus was his type. The pastor is Jesus’ type. The pastor gets tithes by default.

The pastor is a type of Jesus??

Did I read that correctly?

[Esaias]

Warning! Train starting to go off the tracks!

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Well . . . Actually not quite. Not even close really. I think you have to be speaking in jest.

Jesus was not Melchizedek’s type. It’s the other way around. The pastor is not Jesus’ type. Annnd it’s not the other way around.

Did Jesus receive tithes in the Bible?

Ever?

No. He didn’t. But he did tell us how to “give as unto the Lord”. He didn’t say give to the pastor either. In fact he never said that.

If you want to give as unto the Lord? Here’s how you do it. According to Jesus’ very own words.

Matthew 25

[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Now, I would like you to read this verrrry carefully. Where does it even mention the pastor? Or the preacher?

Of course, the pastor could also be hungry. He could be naked. He could be thirsty.

But . . .

Otherwise, according to the very words of Jesus, this is how giving to Him is done. I’d like to point out for they that are lacking understanding, who didn’t make this list. Pastors didn’t.

Glad I could help!

I wonder why pastors say "if we give it to their ministry we give it to God"? It is easy for me to interpret that as "I am God"? Am I imagining things? We just had a children's choir sing to him "building up the temple for my pastor"..., 2 weeks ago. I guess I am imagining things or on to something?

[1 God]

Originally Posted by diakonos

The pastor is a type of Jesus??

Did I read that correctly?

We are taught in some churches that, inadvertently. It is a far cry from the 1st century teaching of an elder's(pastor) role relating to the saints.