Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder sometimes when people bounce around from doctrine to doctrine if they just don't feel complete in Him and are constantly looking for something new to believe in

I was thinking the same thing. One day it's partial preterism. Then its futurism with Islamic fulfillment. Then its sabbath keeping.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

"That is OLD creation. It is a memorial of OLD creation. NEW creation is unending and involves a sabbath BEFORE we work whereas the old creation sabbath was the last day AFTER we work. There is actually a very spiritual picture involved here."

Mr. Blume, could you expound on this a bit? I'm almost seeing your spiritual picture, but "rest before work" is striking me funny, ty.

Think of this. The sabbath showed man working physically BEFORE he would rest. And that was demanded. It slipped right into Law since it went along with the whole system of self making self improved.

The church distinctly gathered the first day of the week. Think of the spiritual message. WORSHIP BEFORE we work. Seventh day of rest denotes work before rest. First day of WORSHIP (not rest) denotes a SPIRITUAL REST before work. And this is what the cross did! We entered into the death of Christ by the cross and walk in newness of life.

The first day of the week was when Christ arose. That is the day the church gathered in Acts. It spiritually depicts resurrection LIFE before we work, to actually give us the power TO WORK. First day of the week is not a sabbath so it is a strawman to say those who worship on sundays got a tradition of sabbath changed from seventh day to first day.

We see the resurrection power of the Lord come forth in us BEFORE we work. And that resurrection life is a SPIRITUAL REST.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You disbelieve the bible, not just challenge it. And you take its words and my words out of context. Sorry, I am interested in folks who believe the Bible is 100% true.

BTW, HALLOWED means MADE HOLY.

I said, "Show me", and you show me nothing...Mike, this is your typical move of "Smoking Mirrors". You create illusions to prove your point.

Your words were not out of context, they were out and out lies. If they weren't lies, why did you erase the Video?

Amen, hallowed does mean holy, and rest is holy to God.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's something I rarely see addressed:

Matthew 5:17-19
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

First of all, Jesus said he came not to destroy, but that does not mean law still is in effect. He came not to destroy in the sense that he did not come to trash law and say it had no purpose. I already responded to what Jesus said in LUKE about not one tittle of the law passing til all be fulfilled. What Jesus said THERE that is not mentioned in Matthew is that Law was UNTIL JOHN. That means that although law would otherwise outlast heaven and earth, IT DID PASS by John's ministry! This is contrasting the power of John's ministry in contrast to the normal state of something outlasting heaven and earth.

Notice... both the man who obeys the commandment and the man who breaks the commandment enter the "kingdom of heaven". Their salvation isn't predicated upon their obedience to the Law. However, Jesus states that whosoever shall break one of the least of these commandmets, AND SHALL TEACH MEN TO DO SO, he shall be the least in the "kingdom of heaven".

That is not what Jesus meant. LEAST in the kingdom means he is out of there! It means he has NO HONOUR in the kingdom. It actually means he has no place in the kingdom.

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

I said, "Show me", and you show me nothing...Mike, this is your typical move of "Smoking Mirrors". You create illusions to prove your point.

Your words were not out of context, they were out and out lies. If they weren't lies, why did you erase the Video?

Amen, hallowed does mean holy, and rest is holy to God.

NFS, you are too disbelieving and attitude-ingrained to talk to. Talk to someone else. Sorry.

You take things out of context, including personal discussion I had with you, and there is no reasoning with you.

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

This is it exactly.

I have never, even after this thread, heard a good argument for Sunday worship, I believe because one does not exist.

When we get right down to it most all Sunday worshipers give not any thought at all to WHY they worship on Sunday... It's just tradition... and once one has a look at why that tradition is in place it is hard to support Sunday worship in good conscience.

Sorry, the church broke bread and had church the first day of the week in Acts.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

NFS, you are too disbelieving and attitude-ingrained to talk to. Talk to someone else. Sorry.

You take things out of context, including personal discussion I had with you, and there is no reasoning with you.

I WIN!!

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Listen….

I think the anti-sabbaticals are thinking that the Sabbatarians are claiming one must keep the Sabbath to be saved.

No. We get that. We just say Paul taught to keep NO DAYS HOLY in Gal 4:10-11. Please deal with that. Thanks!

You miss Paul's teaching on the issue.

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

I WIN!!

Losers never win.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Losers never win.

That's why you lost!