I have Left the UPC Church

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Sister Michlow,
You may not agree with all the pastor preaches but you have to be saved.
Committing spiritual suicide is not an option.Sometimes you have to just
stand and wait on God to deliver you or maybe ask yourself if there is
not another underlying problem going on with you that makes you feel
the way you do or respond to the preaching in the manner the way
you are? I ask myself this alot.My husband was without a job for about two
months.This weighed on me so heavily that nothing made me happy.
Think long and hard and have an option before you give up your lifeline.
I read where you said its been three years in the making.Have you
finally thrown in the towel and given up after three years?
I would post differently but I don't see where you are leaving one church
for another.I only see where you are staying home.Red lights are going off
and I hear a siren going.Its 911.I am going to really get to praying for you.
You need revival.

I am simply going to say, that I always appreciate any prayers that I can get. I am not giving up on God, I am leaving a particular organization. I am currently not attending church, that is true. Right now I am simply waiting for God to show me my next step.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Exactly -- and for the record, I have never said at any time that there is no need for accountability -- or leadership -- any someone's life. I don't believe in degrading the positions of pastor (or whatever position is there) -- I do believe in elevating the saint, though... which many misconstrue as degrading the position of leadership.

Mich needs to find a group of people who have her best interests in mind and who will tell her the truth no matter what. The problem is that she hasn't found that group, yet. I've been lucky (I should say BLESSED) to have found, or have been sent, a solid group of people that I am submitted to -- I pray that Mich finds the same, if she hasn't already.

I nominate you to be my new Pastor!

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Excuse me ... I think Mich has clearly stated she's fixed to the body but not the org ... let's keep our eye on the ball ....

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Is The Body bound up within a church? We are talking about a metaphor when speaking of The Body... it isn't perfect nor does it have boundaries. That's like say God is only within a church building. She hasn't stated that she has left The Body -- on a church, an organization.

Thanks, both of you! I do have some good Christian friends that I communicate with, daily, both online and through the phone. I do admit though, that I really need some people close by, and I have really been praying for that.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.

I can Amen this!

I would love to see this in action!

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Ahhh... now we're getting into the concept that "church" is still bound up with physical boundaries. Can she not be submitted to one from a distance? Can't God still minister to her, through a person, from a distance? I have to ask, what about in the olden days when church may happen at times that spanned distant times by a circuit evangelists? Did those who followed Christ cease to be part of a church because there was no structure? If God was capable of leading and guiding and keeping 150 years ago -- is he not capable of doing so today?

That said, I still think she needs to find a group of people to whom she can be committed. By the way, my thoughts are based on ideology -- which is also this thing called "faith". You know, faith in God that he is able to keep that which he has started in her.

And I care, very much, for Michlow's soul -- or welfare as you put it...

Awww...Thanks Pastor Nate

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Brother Daniel its not important that you are wrong but that you win the argument right? Think about what you just said.The brother said he had a place to fellowship with other believers.Mich did not.

Umm...yeah, not yet, anyway. But I am not expecting this to be a permanent thing. In fact, I plan to visit AFF's own ChTatum, sometime in the near future

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Okay -- I'm leaving the conversation. Evidently I've made it all about me so, for the sake of Michlow's wellbeing, I'll leave. I hope I have offended no one and I have been offended by no one. Everyone have a wonderful and blessed day. If you agree with what I've said,pray for me -- and if you disagreed REALLY pray for me -- I need it...

Sorry, not about me, carry on...

Don't let them run you off Nate! I appreciate your input, and for sticking up me in my absense. I don't call you my evil twin for nothing!

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Nate, you're less important than fried FISH!!!

So... that means you're really NOT all that and a bag of CHIPS!...

Get it? Fish... and chips???



Appeals to his favorite lurker...

Hi RAY!!! Did that make you chuckle?

Can I wrap the fish and chips up in Alumin-i-um???

(I Love Lurker Ray!! )

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by WordPreacher

I pray that you don't leave God because of leaving a UPC church.

I certainly don't plan on it! But keep praying for me!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Can I wrap the fish and chips up in Alumin-i-um???

(I Love Lurker Ray!! )

LOL...

I love to listen to her on the accent thread. LOL