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01-08-2008, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise
do you mean enforced?
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Yes. I changed it. Slip of the keys...
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01-08-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
Nope...according to everyone that says, "We have a TV already, I don't know what the big deal is...," according to the fellows around here. According to a buch of people here, EVERYONE either watches videos or has a TV already.
The people that vote after closing their eyes and signing the AS has a suspect vote, in my opinion. Doesn't matter which way they vote. Everyone ASSUMES that I am just talking about the proponents of the res.
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do you know anyone who totally adheres to the manual? I mean that don't add or take away from it at all?
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01-08-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
I am not advocating it. I think the AS itself is a lie...
Because the organization has never enforced it....
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This would be the reason why many conservatives in the UPC felt that the org was going downhill.
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01-08-2008, 01:44 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Originally Posted by Pastor G
do you know anyone who totally adheres to the manual? I mean that don't add or take away from it at all?
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There are things in the manual that are suggested, and there are those things that are stated as mandatory.
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01-08-2008, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
I am not advocating it. I think the AS itself is a lie...
Because the organization has never enforced it....
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I agree that the AS was not or could not be enforced.
But what do you say to those who have signed and have kept that pledge of affirmation? Does that pledge become invalid for the individual minister who is adhering to it because some have not? Does his/her commitment become less because someone states the origin of the commitment is a lie?
I guess my point is where does the it stop? How many posts does it take to state a majority of the ministers in the UPC own a TV, so in fact it must be the consensus for all them.
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01-08-2008, 03:07 PM
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That's the beauty of the AS. It takes personal integrity to sign something and abide by your signature when no one is looking. Is that so hard to do?
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01-08-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
That's the beauty of the AS. It takes personal integrity to sign something and abide by your signature when no one is looking. Is that so hard to do?
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Thats my point, there are those that adhere to it, but some make it to be of no value because some have not. Or they project the image that because some UPC ministers are of such low integrity, that it must be the case for all.
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01-08-2008, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise
Thats my point, there are those that adhere to it, but some make it to be of no value because some have not. Or they project the image that because some UPC ministers are of such low integrity, that it must be the case for all.
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Exactly, this is why Res. four passed. Now the whole UPC org. seems hypocritical that TV's aren't allowed but advertising on them is.
The AS isn't worth the value it's printed on. The signature on the bottom is what is valuable. Or, then again, maybe not to some.
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01-08-2008, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven
I'm really in a twilight zone of mixed feelings about all of this. The principals in all of this, KH and NW, are old and very valued friends of mine. I can only imagine the situation they face at family get togethers! So with all the differing opinions I pray that through it all that we will be guided by the supreme law of all, ... the Law of Love!
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Are they related?
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01-08-2008, 08:10 PM
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God's Son
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Another wise statement from the barbed wire balancing king.
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
I'll leave you to your opinion, as it is not worth my time.
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Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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