Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Sorry, I woudn't attend, does that mean you love people more than me? Buy yourself a plaque.

Just because I wouldn't attend doesn't mean I don't love the person. I would plea with the person not to do it, warn them they will regret it all their lives, and tell them it IS SIN.

HOWEVER if dispite all of my advice they did it anyway, I would still love that person. Some things I can't say because I'm using my real name, but I am very close to some people who have had abortions, and NEVER NOT ONCE have I condemned them for it. Not once have I screamed "baby-killer" at them.

You guys seem to not understand the difference between seperating the sin from the sinner. IN your zeal to love the sinner, you accept the sin. No you don't PROMOTE IT as something everyone ought to do, but your tolerant, which in reality is simply acceptance.

Jason I appreciate your zeal, but it would be nice if you read posts before responding.

I have repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly said it is an ungodly lifestyle and a sin that will lead to hell. I have not seen a SINGLE post where Smith ENDORSED acceptance. Not one. It does seem to be yourself which cannot separate the sin from the sinner.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Influence them? Influence them how? To be gay?

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

That is the agenda, yes. I teach my children from the Word, and discuss such things with them as need be, so that they may have the wisdom to make the right choice when the difficult times come. HOWEVER for many parents (christian or otherwise) who are not as dilligent there are certainly those in the homosexual movement who seek to evangelize their children to the cause.

It starts out with "tolerance" groups i public schools. And those promoting tolerance, often times end up getting sucked into the homosexual or bi-sexual lifestyle as an young person, and the fact is this is nothing but deception by Satan. Go ahead and jump on that last line.

So you actually believe that someone could have influence over your children and cause them to be gay, is that what you're saying?....they're gonna get talked into it?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I would leave that to the doctors. I don't have the medical expertise to help with that. Not sure what your point is, anyway.

The point is, it appears (again I may be wrong) the primary victim in the abortion scenario was not getting your primary concern.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Influence them? Influence them how? To be gay?

What Jason meant to say is we don't have don't have choice to practice sin ... only the ideals he believes the bible teaches through the words of a deist ... that all men, not women or minorities, have the right to life, liberty and happiness .... (who also didn't believe, incidentally, we are equally guilty of the wrath of God before the law of sin and that we are made righteous and quickened, not by laws, but by the faith in the work of Jesus Christ) ...

There is no free will in Jason's theocratic society ... much less a Constitution or equal protection under the law ... only sheltering his children and the authority of the Bible.

What he meant to say that if you legalize a sin it will increase it ... thus he does not believe in the freedom of religion as it breaks the first commandment... believes we should illegalize haughtiness, greed, anger, envy, strife, gossip, contention, jealousy, fornication, adultery, witchcraft ... and legalize holiness of which without ... no man shall see the Lord.

Surely we know what an agenda of pride and avarice can do to a society?

He believes as those during the Prohibition of the 1920's and the Temperance movement that if you illegalize alcohol ... interpreted as a sin in and of itself you will eliminate alcoholism, spousal and child abuse and lead people to a wholesome and righteous life. Albeit, it led to an explosion in its usage, speakeasies and all that they entailed, and to organized crime syndicates running amuck.

He is actively lobbying Congress for action against these sins as not to expose his children to debauchery ... or any perversion ...

He believes by illegalizing it all for the sake of righteousness... and by giving it a social stigma he will somehow stifle it .... this despite Jesus saying that if a man lusts in his heart it is the same as doing it.

He's a crusader for truth, justice and the American biblical way.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by DAII

Considered this Facebooked.

Just make sure and give me credit so I can collect Facebook royalties!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

So you actually believe that someone could have influence over your children and cause them to be gay, is that what you're saying?....they're gonna get talked into it?

Not talked into "being gay" but decieved into allowing sin in their lives, which makes one its slave. No more than someone can make someone else a drug addict. But they can make the drug apealing, tell them theres really no danger in doing it once, and that it will make them feel good. No one can MAKE someone do anything. But quite often people are decieved into sin, that is the oldest story in the book.

They can introduce them to the sin, and decieve them into believing it is harmless, and ensnare them that way.

NOT TO MENTION IT ONLY TAKES A ONE TIME EXPERIERMENT FOR SOMEONES CHILD TO CONTACT AIDS, and even if thats not my child, it will be someones. This MUST be feircely opposed whether you and DA like it or not.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by DAII

What Jason meant to say is we don't have don't have choice to practice sin ... only the ideals he believes the bible teaches through the words of a deist ... that all men, not women or minorities, have the right to life, liberty and happiness .... (who also didn't believe, incidentally, did not believe we are equally guilty of the wrath of God before the law of sin and that we are made righteous and quickened, not by laws, but by the faith in the work of Jesus Christ) ...

There is no free will in Jason's theocratic society ... much less a Constitution or equal protection under the law ... only sheltering his children and the authority of the Bible.

What he meant to say that if you legalize a sin it will increase it ... thus he does not believe in the freedom of religion as it breaks the first commandment... believes we should illegalize haughtiness, anger, envy, strife, gossip, contention, jealousy, fornication, adultery, witchcraft ... and legalize holiness of which withou ... no man shall see the Lord.

He believes as those during the Prohibition of the 1920's and the Temperance movement that if you illegalize alcohol ... interpreted as a sin in and of itself you will eliminate alcoholism, spousal and child abuse and lead people to a wholesome and righteous life. Albeit, it led to an explosion in its usage and to organized crime syndicates running amuck.

He is actively lobbying Congress for action against these sins as not to expose his children to debauchery ... or any perversion ...

He believes by illegalizing it all for the sake of righteousness... and by giving it a social stigma he will somehow stifle it .... this despite Jesus saying that if a man lusts in his heart it is the same as doing it.

He's a crusader for truth, justice and the American biblical way.

Dan, can you read? Are you even bothering to read my posts, or just using the smear tactic?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The point is, it appears (again I may be wrong) the primary victim in the abortion scenario was not getting your primary concern.

I'm addressing the "victim" that I can help. Have you ever counseled with a woman who many years later still can't sleep through the night without a nightmare of what she did? She's a real "victim" too, Steve, and she needs the redeeming love of Christ.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I'm addressing the "victim" that I can help. Have you ever counseled with a woman who many years later still can't sleep through the night without a nightmare of what she did? She's a real "victim" too, Steve, and she needs the redeeming love of Christ.

No one is arguing this. We all have the mission to reach out to ALL people. Yet going to gay marriages and standing by someones side as they have an abortion isn't "reaching out" any more than sitting on the bed while someone commits adultery is loving the adulterer.


I completely understand your point in helping people recover from this traumatic experience, which is why we should do our best to help them never to do it, not go with them when they do. Homosexual activity is likewise a traumatic experience, as you testified, you don't know one homosexual who hasn't attemped suicide. We must declare the gospel, and declare sin to be sin, and warn men becuase as ministers we are watchmen, we need to blow the trumpet.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Dan, can you read? Are you even bothering to read my posts, or just using the smear tactic?

I read perfectly Jason ... you are a theocrat ... a Puritan who would burn witches at Salem for not practicing the state religion... torture Jews for usury during the Spanish Inquisition and massacre Muslims in the name of God during the Crusades.

Novel enough ... or shall I ratchet up the shock and awe?

I'd hate to call you an apostolic legalist or UPCIer again.