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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Very good points!

And this brings to mind a very good point. Jeremiah 31 teaches us that the old Covenant was unable to be kept. And that includes the Ten Commandments, just as Paul explained in Romans chapter 7 that he tried to obey the Covenant commandment to not covet, and found that the letter of the law was used by Sin as a weapon to kill him. In other words he was saying exactly the same thing Jeremiah said. People couldn't keep it. And Paul again explained that we are now led by the spirit in the law of the spirit of Life, which does cause the law of sin and death to be overcome, whereas the Mosaic law of Commandments was unable to do that.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord : [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord , I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord : for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jeremiah says nothing about anyone's ability to keep the covenant, only that Israel and Judah broke it (did not keep it).

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord : [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord , I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord : for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jeremiah says nothing about anyone's ability to keep the covenant, only that Israel and Judah broke it (did not keep it).

This is true Esaias. I was looking for that myself and didn’t see it. Perhaps a better scripture along this line would be this:

Acts.15

[10] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Regardless, it is impossible for you to keep the law in Texas. Some parts of the law require living in the promised land.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

This is true Esaias. I was looking for that myself and didn’t see it. Perhaps a better scripture along this line would be this:

Acts.15

[10] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Regardless, it is impossible for you to keep the law in Texas. Some parts of the law require living in the promised land.

Being unable to bear doesn’t mean unable to keep.
John’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, including Paul himself kept the law and considered blameless. Sometimes it looks like we are accusing God of unfairness. Which He created a law system which no one could follow. Then when they fail at it, they are severely punished? Adam and Eve weren’t given a law which was impossible to keep. Don’t eat from this one tree. Yet, a series of events caused the transgression. Same with the nation of Israel. No, Peter isn’t talking about impossibility of law keeping, but heaviness of law keeping.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Being unable to bear doesn’t mean unable to keep.
John’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, including Paul himself kept the law and considered blameless. Sometimes it looks like we are accusing God of unfairness. Which He created a law system which no one could follow. Then when they fail at it, they are severely punished? Adam and Eve weren’t given a law which was impossible to keep. Don’t eat from this one tree. Yet, a series of events caused the transgression. Same with the nation of Israel. No, Peter isn’t talking about impossibility of law keeping, but heaviness of law keeping.

Bro. Benincasa, I’ve noticed some arguing that the old covenant is gone, done away with, and there debating that the old covenant (started) was the 10 commandments from Exodus 20. Yet, Jesus said he’s not here to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Meaning it lacked something, Paul said was the law sin, God forbid for it was the mind of God, he told the church in Galatians the law was our schoolmaster that brought us to Christ. Jesus said Heaven and Earth shall pass away... I understand heaven and earth to symbolic of The temple and Jerusalem, i understand that the major change from the old to the new was the use of that temple and the promised land of Israel. The temple is a place not made with mans hands, and Jerusalem is no longer the promised land. We no longer have to have animals as our sacrifice, for Jesus was the guiltless lamb from the foundation of the world. The 10 commandments are not done away with, they have been fulfilled! The law was the mind of God, it’s not the same and physical it has been fulfilled! It went from Physical to spiritual, the physical vanished away, now we have become a spiritual people with the law written in our hearts not on stone.

[Amanah]

Bro Nic, what you stated above would be agreeable to everyone. The debate concerns the Sabbath.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Bro Nic, what you stated above would be agreeable to everyone. The debate concerns the Sabbath.

Exactly, from physical to spiritual. That goes for the sabbath as well. Yet, you don’t eliminate the law, it’s been fulfilled. You eliminate the physical nature of the law.

[Nicodemus1968]

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


The definition for vanish,
disappear suddenly and completely

How was the old covenant going to disappear?

We had a law that was physical, touch, taste, feel. Now Jesus comes around and says

Matthew 15:17-20
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? [18] But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. [19] For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20] These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Exactly, from physical to spiritual. That goes for the sabbath as well. Yet, you don’t eliminate the law, it’s been fulfilled. You eliminate the physical nature of the law.

Do you eliminate the physical nature of the 2nd commandment? Third? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th?

If Jesus fulfilling the law equates to no need to actually do what the 4th commandment says to actually do, then it also equates to no need to actually honour our parents in any real actual or "physical" sense, nor do we need to actually physically refrain from idolatry, murder, bearing false witness, etc.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


The definition for vanish,
disappear suddenly and completely

How was the old covenant going to disappear?

We had a law that was physical, touch, taste, feel. Now Jesus comes around and says

Matthew 15:17-20
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? [18] But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. [19] For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20] These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

The requirement to ritually wash hands prior to eating is not part of the Bible, God's law, Moses' eachings, or the old covenant. It was and is a purely rabbinical commandment of men.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Exactly, from physical to spiritual.

Spiritual is NOT the opposite of physical. NATURAL is the opposite. I do not agree with sabbath keepers by a long shot. But spiritual is not the opposite of physical. The error is the NATURAL, not the physical.