Why I Am A Futurist - Page 36

Esaias · #**351** 02-12-2015, 02:08 PM

Brother Blume, the prophecy is that the holy city would be trodden down for 42 months. It didn't happen. Titus was still outside the city right before Passover in AD 70. That isn't 42 months. Are you guys using that new common core "new math" or something? lol

Further.... how is apostate Jerusalem, called Sodom and Egypt, also "the holy city"?

Furthermore, the prophecy indicates the sanctuary would NOT be destroyed, but....?

Also, the prophecy goes on and states the Beast would be destroyed shortly after the destruction of Babylon.... yet history shows Rome continued for centuries afterwards... unless you still want to claim the Beast is Nero (which again fails because history shows Nero DIED prior to AD 70....

This is really getting ridiculous.

Esaias · #**352** 02-12-2015, 02:15 PM

Btw, you said I've done this over and over again. You have done this over and over again by not paying attention to what I actually said. I did not say "you said" I simply pointed the 42 month prophecy is not part of the olivet prophecy.

You are making it rather tiresome, brother. I have never, to my knowledge, said you SAID something you did not say. I DO often point things out to whoever may be reading (it's not all about you, brother Blume lol). I also often point out the necessary conclusions people's line of argumentation or premises lead to (because often people do not think through the positions they take to their end).

TJJJ · #**353** 02-12-2015, 05:54 PM

Funny thread...

Just how much of Matt 24 is not fulfilled?

Michael The Disciple · #**354** 02-12-2015, 06:01 PM

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Funny thread...

Just how much of Matt 24 is not fulfilled?

Funny? Well RIGHT HERE is the part that has NOT been fulfilled.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt 24:29-31

THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

shag · #**355** 02-12-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Funny? Well RIGHT HERE is the part that has NOT been fulfilled.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt 24:29-31

THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Bro. Mtd, when do u view this as occurring?...In relation to what u posted above as not having occurred?

I don't really have much time to get involved on this thread, but I'm trying to read when I can...

Lafon · #**356** 02-12-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Bro. Mtd, when do u view this as occurring?...In relation to what u posted above as not having occurred?

I don't really have much time to get involved on this thread, but I'm trying to read when I can...

Pardon my intrusion, but you've raised an extremely important question, the scriptural answer to which should prove to be both interesting and quite revealing.

In reviewing the expressed opinions of some members of this forum i've noted they believe this was fulfilled in 70AD when Titus and his Roman army destroyed Jerusalem. Dr Sydney L. Poe, in his commentary on Mark 9:1 where the same event is written, opined that it possibly refers either to the transfiguration which happened a few days afterwards, or to the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost was first given (See The Gospel According to Mark, Word Aflame Press, copyright 1994, page #176).

I have serious reservation accepting Dr Poe's "theories," as well as those that hold the opinion that Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD was the fulfillment of this prophetic utterance of Christ because in neither of these events is there found anything written about angels, but perhaps of even greater significance is there was NO giving of rewards to EVERY man according to their works as our Lord had said there would be. Therefore the question must be, has this prophecy been fulfilledf, and if so, how and when was this done?

I suspect there is more to this prophecy of our Lord than has yet been given adequate attention.

mfblume · #**357** 02-12-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Funny? Well RIGHT HERE is the part that has NOT been fulfilled.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt 24:29-31

THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

Yes it did.

Matt 24:34 said ALL the events would occur in one generation. And that includes the temple destruction of the buildings Jesus pointed to. And we all know when the temple was destroyed. That means the rest be fulfilled in the same generation who saw that. So, what do YOU say about the single generation in Matt 24:34 and the term ALL in all these things?

mfblume · #**358** 02-12-2015, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Brother Blume, the prophecy is that the holy city would be trodden down for 42 months. It didn't happen. Titus was still outside the city right before Passover in AD 70. That isn't 42 months. Are you guys using that new common core "new math" or something? lol

For some reason you are clinging to a certain date for the commencement of the 3.5 years when I never said it happened in whatever date you are thinking. I am saying the siege took 3.5 years. Period. I never mentioned the exact year AD70 here. You seem to think I believe it happened UNTIL AD70. I never said that.

Do we all agree what a siege is, also?

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Furthermore, the prophecy indicates the sanctuary would NOT be destroyed, but....?

No. The prophecy in Rev 11 used the temple as a symbol. Not the actual temple. The measuring of the outer court represented the gentile TIME PERIOD of treading Jerusalem down. Not the actual outer court measurements. The temple was a symbol there. The outer court stood for the TIME -- (ever seen time measured with a ruler in a building? It is symbolic).

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Also, the prophecy goes on and states the Beast would be destroyed shortly after the destruction of Babylon.... yet history shows Rome continued for centuries afterwards...

When you realize what I actually believe about those issues, or at least ask first, instead of assuming, let me know.

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unless you still want to claim the Beast is Nero (which again fails because history shows Nero DIED prior to AD 70....

This is really getting ridiculous.

Yes it really is. Wow.

Michael The Disciple · #**359** 02-13-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Bro. Mtd, when do u view this as occurring?...In relation to what u posted above as not having occurred?

I don't really have much time to get involved on this thread, but I'm trying to read when I can...

I can see it being either of the things the afore mentiond Sidney Poe mentioned.

The prets really major on "the spiritual" side of doctrine. They should be able to see either one of these.

What better introduction to the kingdom than showing Jesus with Moses and Elijah, showing he is GREATER THAN or the fulfillment of both the law and prophets?

Or how that Pentecost was the initial phase of the kingdom? Did it come with power? Jesus said to them "You shall receive POWER after the Holy Ghost is come upon you".

I would rather see it that way than to think Jesus already came and took the Church to Heaven! I mean like I have been asking if that be the case WHO ARE WE? What relevance has the Bible to us?

mfblume · #**360** 02-13-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I can see it being either of the things the afore mentiond Sidney Poe mentioned.

The prets really major on "the spiritual" side of doctrine. They should be able to see either one of these.

What better introduction to the kingdom than showing Jesus with Moses and Elijah, showing he is GREATER THAN or the fulfillment of both the law and prophets?

Or how that Pentecost was the initial phase of the kingdom? Did it come with power? Jesus said to them "You shall receive POWER after the Holy Ghost is come upon you".

I would rather see it that way than to think Jesus already came and took the Church to Heaven! I mean like I have been asking if that be the case WHO ARE WE? What relevance has the Bible to us?

Because Jesus said some would still be alive, that means the time was not very near. AD70 fits because SOME were still alive. Makes the statement more sensible, I think. Just my opinion.