Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ron

Repentance & Remission are separate things in the Bible & in our Christian walk.

As I have heard recently from some in thier camp that "truth is subjective!"

Reminds me of some people I have prayed with at an altar over the years--I had more success praying for a brick wall than I did them seeing truth!

Some things never change!

Thank God for truth & a revelation of it!

Praying for you all!

This is false doctrine ... that can only be taught using poor hermeneutics and one version of the bible for all time in all settings.

You could not teach this Scripturally in my Spanish church ... you know why???

Because you'd have no bible for it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Make accurate statements Praxeas ... thank you.

I made an accurate statement. You know we are talking about 1 particular baptism in the bible and not Spirit baptism. You are intelligent Dan so this obfuscation on your part is strange.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ron

I know that full well--do you?

Those same versions are trinitarian in viewpoint as well!

OMG ... you can't be for real ... and KJV is Oneness???!!!

This line of reasoning hurts your cause since it's not base in fact but wishful thinking.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Who has an agenda? You made a false statement were confronted with it, ignored it and stated the same false thing a second time. That sounds more like an agenda than actually looking at the text to see what it says.

I don't believe I did, & all your confronting is a play on words.

I don't believe Baptism has a part in Salvation-I didn't say that I wouldn't get Baptised????

Which is it??

Is it Salvational or not??

If it wasn't, I wouldn't do it personally!

If it is.......what is the argument about really?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Rico, ignore them. The greek word for baptism means to submerge or inundate an object in fluid. In the bible that fluid was water. If it was just the hands being referred to the word might be translated dip, but one is still submerging their entire hand in the fluid.

We also have scriptures that clearly show the candidate for baptism went down INTO the water..

It's amazing how some people will try to make the word of God meaningless and incomprehensible. One might as well become a new ager if the Word of God has no absolute meaning behind it and is subject to personal feelings.

I know, Brother, but this is the world we live in. Anyone with a concordance, a lexicon, and some commentaries is an instant expert on what the Bible is really trying to say, especially if it says something they don't agree with. Oh well. Maybe it's better to just let God sort it all out. Let him separate the sheep from the goats, like the Bible says. Well, unless of course that passage of scripture doesn't belong there either, or means something other than what it means. Ya never can tell these days.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

OMG ... you can't be for real ... and KJV is Oneness???!!!

This line of reasoning hurts your cause since it's not base in fact but wishful thinking.

HMMMM, Dan, I got the revelation of oneness out of my KJV, where did you get yours?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Acts 2:38 uses aphesis as countless other verses-

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Example 1

KIV:

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

NIV:
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Reina Valera:
38 Pedro les dijo: Arrepentíos, y bautícese cada uno de vosotros en el nombre de Jesucristo para perdón de los pecados; y recibiréis el don del Espíritu Santo.

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Example 2:


Mark 1:4

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

NIV:
4And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Reina Valera:
4 Bautizaba Juan en el desierto, y predicaba el bautismo de arrepentimiento para perdón de pecados.

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I could go on and on .... Rico .... it applies to all verses with this root word.

To say the repentance brings forgiveness and baptism brings remission only works in a KJV setting .... not in the original Greek ... other English versions ... NIV, NASB, ESV ... or in other languages that use the one word to mean the same as the Apostles expressed it.

Adding to the Word has curses attached to it.

BUMP WITHOUT AID OF LEXICONS, COMMENTARIES ETC.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

You guess wrong my friend.

Apparently, the KJV translators wanted to start arguments 400 years in the future and that's why they translated it differently then. Ya reckon?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

HMMMM, Dan, I got the revelation of oneness out of my KJV, where did you get yours?

Are you saying someone could not get the same revelation from a NKJV or an ESV or some other?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ron

HMMMM, Dan, I got the revelation of oneness out of my KJV, where did you get yours?

Out of the Reina Valera, my good friend.... this is becoming ridiculous ... one could get the revelation of the Mighty God in Christ in any version.