Stokes, That is a concern, yes. I know that some of it is tradition and culture but truthfully, those are the key elements that help to keep our families together so why not the church?? It is evident that when we start undoing everything, the dedication begins to wane. In general, the AG is not the church it once was and even many of them have told me that
Any change is always a concern because it requires leaving our "comfort" range.
I think that the lack of dedication is more from a growing lethargic attitude toward God and the church, than a certain "standard" of dress. We are busy doing "things" and give time to God when we have nothing else to do. We don't depend on God for our everyday life like we used to. We are victims of our own success and blessings.
NO, you're wrong on this one HO. the clothes did change his attitude and also his perception of himself. It gave him a greater desire to acheive and made him feel better about himself.
You are speaking of something totally different. There was a desire in his heart to dress better in the first place or he wouldn't have put that suit on.
The same is true for the opposite. I won't go out wearing a halter top and Daisy Dukes THEN feel like dressing immodestly. The feeling was already in my heart long before I put the clothing on.
Self esteem, as you refer to above, is a different matter entirely.
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To answer your question St. Mark, I'm not so sure that pants on women is an abomination. I'm not sure the UPC manual states that a woman must wear a dress. If it does, please correct me. It's been a while since I have read it.
That being said, I'm a UPC PK, so I've worn skirts all of my life. Until recently, I didn't even know what scripture was used to support that standard. Even after numerous Sunday School classes, hours spent on a church pew and two years in Bible College. It took a great lady from my former church to bring this to my attention. I'm a PK...how could I have missed that all these years?????
I too question if we follow verse 5 in that chapter, what do you do with 11 or 21?
I also struggle with Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Something there was an abomination too. Like sowing discord? That one just doesn't seem to apply to us today, sad to say.
The manual says nothing about pants or dresses on women. They can't.
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You are right about that. Gluttony is the other sin that gets a free pass in Pentecost LOL BTW, I'm a PK too.
So, now that you know WHY you only where skirts, what is your answer ?
You are so right about gluttony...meant to bring that up too, but you know you forget things that late.
I said I know what scripture is used to support that standard now. I didn't say I support the standard. I still wear skirts, but as for teaching my children it's a heaven or hell issue....I don't know about that.
As for my answer? I think the UPC will go towards a more "liberal" standard in the next 5 to 10 years, if not before. Right or wrong? Don't think there's an answer there. I think that it will be what we make it. Our problems in the UPC go much deeper than the clothing that women are wearing or are not wearing.
You are so right about gluttony...meant to bring that up too, but you know you forget things that late.
I said I know what scripture is used to support that standard now. I didn't say I support the standard. I still wear skirts, but as for teaching my children it's a heaven or hell issue....I don't know about that.
As for my answer? I think the UPC will go towards a more "liberal" standard in the next 5 to 10 years, if not before. Right or wrong? Don't think there's an answer there. I think that it will be what we make it. Our problems in the UPC go much deeper than the clothing that women are wearing or are not wearing.
In twenty years, the UPCI will look nothing like it is today (standards wise)! Hope springs eternal!
You do not have scripture for this remark. The jews that received this command from God via Moises -- both male and female wore robes. There were differences in the robes, but they both wore them.
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