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Old 02-19-2011, 11:38 AM
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Words have meaning and calling someone just means something. So yes, I can judge whether to call someone just. And sins is a violation of God's commandments and all have sinned... but none of them had a choice not to. How can you judge people without a choice? I can't.

As for the 2nd paragraph... some men never get an opportunity to come to Jesus.
As in all of our actions in life, choices have consequences.
As for the opportunity - we know that we have a righteous Judge!
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:40 AM
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As in all of our actions in life, choices have consequences.
As for the opportunity - we know that we have a righteous Judge!
Tell that to Untraditional
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:00 PM
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no, it's fine...
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no, it's fine...
Is that one of those prank numbers?
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:25 PM
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:58 PM
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That's funny, the Lord led me away from that dead religion and into real discipleship. I'm His sheep too. So which of us is really hearing from God? And do we sometimes say too quickly "God said?" Isn't that false prophesying?

So all my experiences and encounters with God, the fact that I've enjoyed the most fulfilling year of living for God ever -- outside of dead religion -- is just really the deceiving devil, huh?

Pray that I see all things the way you do, then I will have "truth."
A person that is deceived does not know they are deceived.

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I didn't know prayer was such a big deal to you people. If I'm talking to people that pray, and tell them that I prayed, it wouldn't be any big deal. But if I'm talking to people that don't pray, and tell them I prayed, they're probably going to twist into something it isn't, which is what happened here.
No. If you talk about how much you "prayed" to people who read their Bibles and pray, then you just might be questioned about your attitude (Isaiah 1:15; Matthew 6:5-15, Matthew 23:14; and especially Luke 8:9-14).

Why the need for a trumpet to alert everyone to your "good works?" Why do you despise others?
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:29 PM
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A person that is deceived does not know they are deceived.

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Yup. So you should walk humbly, because you wouldn't even know if you were deceived
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I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?
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I personally am not aware of any group that practices a Christian baptism that does not "baptize in Jesus' name." Listen to what's being said (or read from some dusty old liturgy). They all baptize in Jesus' name - at least every one I've ever encountered.

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2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?
No. While the phrase "evidence" is never associated with the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the NT, we do read that the Christian life is at least expected to produce many sorts of "evidence" that the individual has been born of God. This is often referred to as the "Fruit of the Spirit" (and there are 9 listed in Galatians 5:22-23). The teachings of the Apostles is replete with many other examples. Nowhere do we find "speaking in tongues" identified as "evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit" as you have claimed.

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3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?
I believe the corrections I have made to your misunderstandings of the Word are necessary to be considered a part of the Body of Christ. The only thing that I can find that would fit the phrase, "absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?" would be that someone MUST be saved by the Savior.

That's your only hope and assurance. Jesus saves. Without Him we are all lost. Adding to the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Apostles as you have done does put one on rather shaky ground, however (Revelation 22:18).

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4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?
The "traditional pentecostal holiness" is NOT what you have claimed it to be. Many old time churches (like Emmanuel Pentecostal Church in Mesquite, TX) were in fact founded by female evangelists who not only cut their hair - but in the case of EPC's founder Bertha Clinton, had bobbed hair of the style fashionable in the 1920s.

In the case of the EPC church linked to above - Pastor Flowers had to take down the photo of Bertha Clinton after his church had hosted the funeral for Cleveland Becton, former Sec. Gen. of the UPC. Today, we just can't show those "bobbed hair women" from our history any longer. I'm sorry that I didn't do a screen capture of the EPC website at the time of Bro. Becton's funeral. Maybe someone else has a pic of Sister Bertha Clinton? Contact me if you do. Thanks!

Consider also, Sarah E. Thistlethwaite Parham - the wife and biographer of the founder of the Apostolic Faith Movement, Charles Fox Parham:



Consider also, Olive Haney, mother of a UPC General Superintendent. In this pic she is shown at the time her parents were missionaries to Japan - among the very first Apostolic Missionaries:



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5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?
Define "trinitarian?"

The problem here OP Deuce, isn't that we all have somehow failed to maintain your "standards" for what you consider to be "Apostolic." The problem is that you are largely ignorant of Apostolic history and what it means to be "Apostolic."

Consider the following picture. That is Charles Fox Parham again - seated in the middle, surrounded by his students. We'll leave off commenting on all of the facial hair since you didn't bring it up. However, everyone in this picture was a Trinitarian. The teacher, his wife and all of the students. Even the guy holding the banner that reads "Apostolic" is a Trinitarian.

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