Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs? - Page 32

shazeep · #**311** 08-04-2015, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That is like saying that because Asia produces the most keyboards they are responsible for all the misspelled words in the world?

dunno...just seems to me that a nation that considered itself the Client Nation would be suppressing arms sales by little upstart nations, not dealing them wholesale to everyone. Don't worry, though, your manufacturers have just recently assured their investors that there will be plenty of mayhem to continue supporting their products.

shazeep · #**312** 08-04-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, I didn't make ISIS.

Muslims were lost way before there was ever a UNITED STATES or Great Britain. Face it, what you are posting is total foolishness, and you know it.

"Judge not, lest you be judged." Face it, you can have whatever opinion you like; it is you that will live with the consequences. It is you that perceives enemies, and filth...just about everywhere, apparently. I have none.

mfblume · #**313** 08-04-2015, 05:29 PM

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"Judge not, lest you be judged..

Actually Jesus said that in context of saying you can judge so long as you're not guilty of the same thing you judge. Read the context.

mfblume · #**314** 08-04-2015, 05:34 PM

Is it condemning to say someone is condemned already?

shazeep · #**315** 08-04-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You seem to not be able to read. You also fail to quote the scripture in its entirety. Jesus goes on to say that you shouldn't judge if you are in the same sin, have the same issues, hence being the beam, because of hypocrisy. Therefore you will not be able to judge correctly to remove a problem from an erring brother who has a "speck" in his eye. Muslims are not following Jesus Christ, they follow the Hadiths or sayings of the Mohammad. Therefore they are lost. The judgement there is logical, since Jesus said He was the only way, not a way. Pretty simple.

you pretend to speak for Muslims that you have never met--that used to babysit Jewish children--by analyzing their dogma, and, finding it incompatible with yours, naturally make an enemy of them, that you may be in the right. I never asked the Good Samaritan what his dogma was, and do not care; you base your judgement upon it, and make him an enemy?

shazeep · #**316** 08-04-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I haven't condemned.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Do you believe they're condemned already because they don't believe? You nullify these words.

you seek to justify your position with the right words; but the Qur'an plainly instructs believers to follow Christ's example or be doomed. More than once. It has been shown you that one may accept Christ spiritually, and yet not agree with your words; in several parables. Yet you would still attempt to justify your judgement of people you do not know. What is to be done with you, other than what is already being done? i know nothing, and can only suggest that one examine themselves for condemnation. We are only talking, after all.

Evang.Benincasa · #**317** 08-04-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

"Judge not, lest you be judged." Face it, you can have whatever opinion you like; it is you that will live with the consequences. It is you that perceives enemies, and filth...just about everywhere, apparently. I have none.

I do face it, but the difference is that I'm using the scripture and proving what I'm talking about. You preach the Jesus of the Brave New World Order, while posing as someone who is against it. That is called a "change agent provocateur."

Evang.Benincasa · #**318** 08-04-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

you pretend to speak for Muslims that you have never met--that used to babysit Jewish children--by analyzing their dogma, and, finding it incompatible with yours, naturally make an enemy of them, that you may be in the right. I never asked the Good Samaritan what his dogma was, and do not care; you base your judgement upon it, and make him an enemy?

I see, you won't deal with my posted answer to your accusation. Yet, what to continue with your change agent mantra. Muslims who use to babysit Jewish children? Oh, you are repeating those words from a quote from Neturei Karta Jews talking about pre 1948 Palestine. How old are you that you were in pre-settlement Palestine in the 1940s? Are you going to quote Norman Finkelstein as well? You are comparing apples with shawarma, we are talking about Christianity the teachings of Christ not being compatible with Islam. Not the Middle East situation concerning Palestine and Israel. Maybe you don't know this, but Zionism isn't a religion, neither is Hamas, it is a resistance movement which had been voted in by the Palestinian people.

Yet, before there was ever a Theodor Herzl or a Hamas, Muslims were lost.

We are talking about salvation, not 1948 or 1967.

Evang.Benincasa · #**319** 08-04-2015, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

you seek to justify your position with the right words; but the Qur'an plainly instructs believers to follow Christ's example or be doomed. More than once. It has been shown you that one may accept Christ spiritually, and yet not agree with your words; in several parables. Yet you would still attempt to justify your judgement of people you do not know. What is to be done with you, other than what is already being done? i know nothing, and can only suggest that one examine themselves for condemnation. We are only talking, after all.

The Quran is to be recited, but the Hadiths are to be followed. You are to follow the example of Mohammad, and all the prophets. In Islam you aren't following the Bible Jesus, but the Qur'anic Jesus. The Jesus who didn't die on the cross, the Jesus who was switched with Judas. My judgement of they being lost is from what the Bible teaches. You have to take this argument up with God. The Apostle Paul said that if an angel (Mohammed claimed to speak with the angel Gabriel) or anyone present another Gospel (this would not only included Mohammed, but also Joseph Smith, and William Branham) let him be anathema. That's your choice to follow these people to your doom.

shazeep · #**320** 08-05-2015, 06:53 AM

well, i pretty much agree with all of that. They have a skewed image of Christ? Then i guess they will just have to join the crowd, huh. If you have found the one ideal path to Christ, then one is left to wonder why you repeat gossip from far away? Which is what "Muslims are lost" amounts to. Why seek enemies? I can completely agree that knowing a risen Christ, who died for your sins is best; this knowing must then come with a heavier cross--why are you speaking death? This knowledge should then evidence in Life, more abundantly for you, and be a compelling example that they would hear about even without a tv! And i see that there are many, Pentecostals included, who can be described this way; that laugh at the fear of Islam, and do not repeat what their society is convinced of. But they are not remarking on nations on the other side of the planet; their "elders" are not speaking poorly about their misguided daughters. The way you judge is how you will be judged. God will not be mocked.