Bishop SC Johnson

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

If Bishop Johnson was taught by God, why isn't anyone else able to be taught by God?

The Bible says that he has no respect of persons.

Martha: Everyone wanting to preach to gospel and indeed everyone who is actually preaching the gospel are not called/sent from God. You should know that if God didn't send them they can only err. What else could they possibly do? And "I'm not the one" to be deceived by them. A sister that I fellowship with had a husband who insisted he was called to preach and struck out on his own and started his own church. His wife would never have anything to do with it. It was a source of contention for years. When he got sick, he repented on his death bed for having done it and confessed that God never sent him. Do you think that man was preaching all truth, other than the principles of the doctrine that he'd learned from Bishop Johnson? No he wasn't because he didn't know it. Preachers who came out of Bishop Johnson's church preach the principles of the doctrine and sound like they really know what they're talking about but a closer examination of them proves that the principles is all they know.

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

I don't understand what the problem is if the are teaching the exact same thing Bishop Johnson did.

Martha: Based on what I heard on the three sermons that I listened to, this man is not hearing from God. He's reading.

I know for a fact the Holy Temple teaches the same thing Bishop Johnson taught in spite of what Martha uses as an excuse. You have been programmed to believe this. Honey, God is able to help you.

Martha: This pastor teaches the principles of the doctrine that was taught to him by way of Bishop Johnson. Surely you should be able to see that there's a huge difference in having been taught the principles by someone else and preaching the gospel out of your own head.

These are all excuses not to pursue a pastor. These are all excues to declare everyone is wrong except for you and yours. These are all excuses!!!! God has never been that small that he would have a dead man preaching to an entire world, and only a small elite few get to hear the truth. Just think about the logic in that. God would that none perish and he would put the responsibility on a dead man to preach salvation to the millions of the world. That is why there is one body but many members to that one body.

Martha: That's something you'll have to take up with God. I've got the truth and glad to have it. I can't tell you why he chose to dissiminate it as he did. Evidently you've heard Bishop Johnson's preaching and evidently you didn't believe it. And the responsibility has been placed on thirteen plus dead men before Bishop Johnson and that gospel that they preached perished from the earth for a season of 1900 years. Think about what happened to the gospel preached at pentecost before it's re-emergence and remember that which is done is that which shall be done. . . . .

Surely a God that can perform so many miracles can give someone other than a dead man the truth. Why do you put limits on God?

Martha: Neither you, nor I can limit God, nor can we force him to go where he has not foreordained.

God is able to help you.

Martha: Jesus said, my sheep know my voice and a stranger they will not follow.

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

Bishop Johnson is dead and he isn't anyone's pastor any more. I know you want to believe that he is your pastor he is not. He is dead.

Go to Bishop Johnson and try to talk with him and see what he says. He can't speak.

Martha: Will you relent with the pastor thing! It's the word that's still alive.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I read it on a daily basis. and Marth, you dont need to start each post with Marth:

it isnt necessary we know its you.


and one more thing. Dead men cannot expound on the unadultrated word of God.... because they are DEAD.

Martha: Well, so much for Peter and Paul.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: Well, so much for Peter and Paul.

I dont want Peter or Paul for my pastor. They are dead too.

Good reference points though... considering they WROTE the new testament.'


Your guy didnt write the NT. He didnt have any special insight beyond what any pastor may have. He was nothing more than a modern day preaher.

God knows we need modern day preachers. But God also knows we need right now pastors in our lives. Not dead guys.

Love ya martha, but until you deal with the fact that you are putting your salvation in the cold dead hands of a man who cannot save you, you will never really have all you can have in God.

I love Papa George Glass. from time to time I listen to an old sermon he preached. some of his old sermons I consider required listening to any preacher. But I dont want him for a pastor because he is dead.

I dont listen to his messages as though they are Cannon because he was just a modern day preacher.

He was a great man of God, anointed like no other I know of. Every preacher I know that knew him called him a pastors pastor. But he is dead. He cant pastor anyone.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: I was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ according to Acts 2:38. ...

What version of the Bible are you using?
The triune name "Lord Jesus Christ" is not found in Acts 2:38 in the King James Version.

[citizen]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: These preachers who have started their own churches have learned from Bishop Johnson, they have the principles of the doctrine but leaving that, they're at a loss when left to their own devices/understanding.

What you seem to be missing is some of these preachers have been ordained by Bishop Johnson himself. They were taught by him and they teach what he taught them while he was alive. And they are still listening to his teachings.

Why would Bishop Johnson ordain these men to preach and be elders in the church if after he died they were to throw away their ordanation papers and stop being elders of the very assemblies that their Bishop placed them over?

Did he ever tell any of them to stop being elders once he died?

And you have never been ordained by Bishop Johnson. Why would you know more than Bishop Johnson's own elders? Isnt that questioning the judgment of the man you say is your bishop right now.

[TRFrance]

If the Johnsonites really understood this passage, they would stop their foolishness right away:

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

The five-fold ministry is given to the church, the Body of Christ. Period. The 5-fold ministry didn't cease just because Bishop SC Johnson died.

The five-fold ministry reflects God's leadership structure for the body of Christ, a structure which will remain in place until Jesus comes back for His church. I challenge any Johnsonite to prove otherwise using the scriptures.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

If the Johnsonites really understood this passage, they would stop their foolishness right away:

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

The five-fold ministry is given to the church, the Body of Christ. Period. The 5-fold ministry didn't cease just because Bishop SC Johnson died.

The five-fold ministry reflects God's leadership structure for the body of Christ, a structure which will remain in place until Jesus comes back for His church. I challenge any Johnsonite to prove otherwise using the scriptures.

Amen!

[warrior]

Bishop Johnson is being given too much credit to to ever be mentioned in the Bible.

The Christian movement comes to a halt after his death....please!