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11-26-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
It's ok to use as a guide, but it's not bible to teach tithing today.
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11-26-2007, 08:47 PM
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Many posting on here including pastors say its not a salvation issue i BUT come Jan/Feb (income tax) time they will dig in their files and get sermons that preach/each tithing heavy and equate it to Jesus name baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost as part of salvation requirements.
How many of you ministers would allow someone to hold a posoition if you knew without a doubt they were not tithing??not hardly any I'm sure.
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Where you heart is...where your treasure will be or something like that. Salvation or not, there is a buying into the 'vision'. Money is what matters most to many. If they are not 'buying' in, their heart is probably not there.
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11-26-2007, 08:49 PM
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I don't believe it is a salvational issue. However, if the people in the church aren't giving money, how does the pastor get paid?
I do believe that if one is a true Christian, one should donate time, skills, and/or money to the poor or to the church or the elderly or a group that can use that time, skill or dollars. But, it must be done out of love and with gladness, not duty.
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11-26-2007, 08:52 PM
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Do not teach it as salvational, but if you want to vote as a member, a vested interest is required.
Seems fair to me.
And I am the PASTOR! LOL!
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11-26-2007, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffee99
I don't believe it is a salvational issue. However, if the people in the church aren't giving money, how does the pastor get paid?
I do believe that if one is a true Christian, one should donate time, skills, and/or money to the poor or to the church or the elderly or a group that can use that time, skill or dollars. But, it must be done out of love and with gladness, not duty.
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Ahem.... if the goal is getting money into the coffers then we should move forward with rich-Jesus-prosperity-preaching-sowing-seed-faith doctrines.
God takes care of His people. I know I would be inclined to give more if it is NOT taught as salvational.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-26-2007, 08:56 PM
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I feel we should honor God with our first fruits, but it is not a salvational issue. In the past I have had pastors, who like MOW rarely preached on tithing and did not know who paid tithes. I really think that is the best policy. That way the pastor can minister without "judgement" so to speak. We recently had a conversation with a couple of older ministers who stated that tithes were all the ministers and offerings were to support the church and pay the bills. New concept to us-
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11-26-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Blubayou
I feel we should honor God with our first fruits, but it is not a salvational issue. In the past I have had pastors, who like MOW rarely preached on tithing and did not know who paid tithes. I really think that is the best policy. That way the pastor can minister without "judgement" so to speak. We recently had a conversation with a couple of older ministers who stated that tithes were all the ministers and offerings were to support the church and pay the bills. New concept to us-
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What is firstfruits? many think it's tithes, but haven't seen it yet in scripture. Tithes and fristfruits were different. besides,most of us don't grow crops to ven give firstfruits.
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11-26-2007, 09:08 PM
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A good book to read and it might can be found on E-Bay is Should We Tithe? Or How Should We Give The Lord's Money by Charles Halff, who was the director of The Christian Jew Foundation.He taught Propotionate giving.1 COR.16:2
Charles Halff also wrote a good book on Easter.
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11-26-2007, 09:11 PM
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The NT. teaches one to give and to support the ministry,but does the NT. teach the tenth as binding or the binding amount to give ?
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11-26-2007, 09:24 PM
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The tenth if I understand correctly was set-up by God to take of the Levitical priesthood since they didn't have land like the other tribes.See LEV,27-30-32
Numbers 18:21-24
The tithes was like the Jewish income tax.
Since the temple was destroyed in 70.ad there is no tribe of Levi today.The storehouse in MAL.4 adjoined the temple at Jerusalem where field produce and flocks were brought by the Jews.
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