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11-13-2007, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by disciple
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
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Wait a second. Carlton Pearson is NOT PAW and never was as far as I know. Tonex is just a recording artist and not a representative of the PAW
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11-13-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC
Tonex stated that those that publically put CP down, secretly embrace the doctrine that he is spewing out there.
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Can I say Tonex is an idiot without being accused of "preacher" bashing? Is he a preacher? That has got to be one of the dumbest and irresponsible statements I have seen in a while. How does he know? Does he read minds? lol
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-13-2007, 05:13 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Crak does
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Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.
Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.
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11-13-2007, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.
Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.
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Not really...CP and you both believe EVERYONE eventually is saved
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A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.
For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell.
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http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-13-2007, 06:07 PM
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The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO
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11-13-2007, 07:31 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
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A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.
For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell. http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm
There are certainly some areas of agreement, and with this quote I certainly do agree.
However, CP appears to embrace those that are living in blatant sin in the fellowship of believers, I believe the scriptures teach us to separate from those that walk in open rebellion against the principles of holiness. Those that are seeking deliverance and freedom from ungodly lifestyles are a different matter.
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11-13-2007, 09:46 PM
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It's a sad deal with Tonex. A friend of mine attended a church where Tonex preached a few years ago - right before the "Out the Box" cd came out. He said Tonex was tough on Acts 238, the oneness and also slammed "fake" preachers who live one way behind the pulpit and another way when not behind it. He also came down hard on homosexuals in the apostolic church.
Then came "Out the Box" and I think he got too big for his own good. Kind of like Kirk Franklin. Couldn't handle the fame.
Now I see Tonex on YouTube cursing and being exactly the "minister" he condemned before.
Sad. And what's even more so is he's still sought after to preach and sing at churches around the country.
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11-13-2007, 09:50 PM
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All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?
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11-13-2007, 10:28 PM
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It's called "The Naked Truth" and it is a profanity laced tirade where he even talks about having acts 2:38 tatooed on his arm but spits out profanity after profanity
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-13-2007, 10:42 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus
All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?
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It's worse then that- i wouldn't even be appropriate to post the link.
In it he also admits to being Gay
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