Back to the topic: THREE votes... and I find that a sad reproach.
Steadfast I will say this, though I am not as conservative as I was in the past on standards, I am sold out to the oneness message. I have received a revelation of it for myself and to see the PAW this close to accepting other groups is very disturbing.
I find that an interesting phrase but the truth is that TRUE worshipers have to worship in 'spirit' AND in 'TRUTH'. The trinity is a lie, however, and cannot be seen by those who love truth as 'acceptable'.
I have seen men who were brutish with doctrine but, if the Bible still counts for anything, it tells us that we are built on the doctrine. It surely can be imbalanced either way. Even so, spirit without truth is a house built on sand.
And what is a house built on truth without spirit?
If someone has a conviction against something then they need to have it to themselves and not expect everyone else to have the same conviction, Sister.
I believe that, Rico. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's going on, but I do see the one who have a conviction going with what they believe.
Awe - we lost the vote - Pooh Pooh - lets go do what we preached against all these years - lets rebel and leave and run everybody down that don't do it like we do! Lets LIE about WHY they want to go on TV - we are sooooooooo smart - we know the REAL REASON is so they can HAVE A TV!!!!!!!!!!
The very reason most leave to start with - They see your DOUBLE STANDARD. Hypocrites!
I was in a hotel in NC and the DS came out of his room and told everybody - FREDDY CLARK IS ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How on earth did he know? HE HAD IT ON!!!!!!!!! Now he is a ring leader in all this Anti-Evangelism - Lets hide it in a box and keep ourselves pure and holy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is ALL about CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
If you will READ my POST- I said
I did not say Steadfast. I did not say ALL, I did not say MOST, I said - SOME!
Perhaps you can recognize the source of my perception.
well this is my past post before i go on strike(or til Boomm gets over himself!!!!!!! )
Anyhow, I went to the last couple of PAW conventions (2005/2006)
because one of my best friends that i known since my youth was consecrated(?) . they had this HUGE installment with an ELABORATE, ORNATE Cermemony. it was in Chicago. then i went last year because it was close by (Los Angeles).
Anyhow, I don't know for sure if it's because they don't have strict standards like us, but there was SOMETHING MISSING!!! i kept saying to myself " you have got to kidding"!! " is this all"??? seriously, there was just nothing ... no move of the spirit of any kind. it was pomp & Program & ceremony and worshipping this bishop and that leader. They spent $500,000 on fancy clerical Robes but can hardly pay their bills and have to ask Braizer to bail them out all the time??? I'm not getting it!
I'm not trying to be Judgmental. you have to remember they have been in existence for almost 100 years. what will the UPC be in 100 years???
however, I do remember the PAW even 20 years ago and it was so anointed! the churches out here were booming! Even the PAW people i know here in CA. tell me something is wrong. now, i will tell you this, they don't think it's the standard issue- they think it's the fight for power, lots of men clawing their way to the top that has hurt their organization
I have changed my view over the years to where I am not as conservative as I was. I am a middle of the road guy. I guess in traveling the nation preaching and fellowshipping with various people that I have come to realize that people who are all the time "harping" on standards are not actually getting people to fall in love with Jesus as much as they are a set of guidelines.
I am in love with Jesus. I have not changed how I live near as much as how I view the approach to it. I think that if we will preach Jesus and get people to develop a relationship with Jesus then alot of the other things take care of themselves. My wife don't wear make up, cut her hair or wear pants. My wife don't even wear splits. We do wear wedding rings and all my dress shirt are french cuff which means I wear cuff links a lot. Most of my shirts are not white. I think I own 2 white shirts. There was a time that none of that applied to me. I was living rules to fit in with a crowd. Now the things I live are totally because I love Jesus not because it is the rule of a certain crowd.
I know that to actually call all UC "control freaks" is a broad brush. I am not positive that as to who you may be. You may not be on of the "control freaks".
Maybe I should revise my statement and say that for some I have met, the term "control freak" does fit, but for others I can honestly say that it don't.
That is exactly how I believe and wish I'd been raised that way. Perhaps I'd be a different person today.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I believe that, Rico. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's going on, but I do see the one who have a conviction going with what they believe.
Sister, it has been my experience that apostolic preachers are deathly afraid of ever admitting they are wrong about anything, so all this fighting to maintain the status quo doesn't surprise me one bit. The apostolic church has managed to preach itself into a corner. I, for one, am glad that people are finally willing to admit that some things went overboard and changes are being made.
well this is my past post before i go on strike(or til Boomm gets over himself!!!!!!! )
Anyhow, I went to the last couple of PAW conventions (2005/2006)
because one of my best friends that i known since my youth was consecrated(?) . they had this HUGE installment with an ELABORATE, ORNATE Cermemony. it was in Chicago. then i went last year because it was close by (Los Angeles).
Anyhow, I don't know for sure if it's because they don't have strict standards like us, but there was SOMETHING MISSING!!! i kept saying to myself " you have got to kidding"!! " is this all"??? seriously, there was just nothing ... no move of the spirit of any kind. it was pomp & Program & ceremony and worshipping this bishop and that leader. They spent $500,000 on fancy clerical Robes but can hardly pay their bills and have to ask Braizer to bail them out all the time??? I'm not getting it!
I'm not trying to be Judgmental. you have to remember they have been in existence for almost 100 years. what will the UPC be in 100 years???
however, I do remember the PAW even 20 years ago and it was so anointed! the churches out here were booming! Even the PAW people i know here in CA. tell me something is wrong. now, i will tell you this, they don't think it's the standard issue- they think it's the fight for power, lots of men clawing their way to the top that has hurt their organization
I am not in Cali. I also have not been to any of their conventions. I have some friends that have. They say the same things your saying Thad.
I have a friend that pastors an AAC church in MS and the PAW pastor in his town asked him to come and teach doctrine because his church was not sure about what they believed and he was not postive he could really teach it. I think it is sad when one pastor has to call in another pastor to teach doctrine because he don't think he can.
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