Obeying The Gospel

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Felicity

The Gospel is the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ.

We obey Peter's command (& Jesus' as well) to repent and get baptized.

Then we receive the promise of Holy Spirit infilling.

Bingo! That is it in a nutshell!

[Ron]

[B]Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. [/B]

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sooooo, obeying not the Gospel doesn't mean what it says??

Two ways one can look at this...a person that does not obey is lost....yet Paul did not say "a person that does not believe is lost"..

It's presumed that if a person really did believe they would obey. Well what if we do not presume that? A person can believe but they still need to obey?

How many "evangelicals" would submit that a person can be saved and not repent? Is repentance a work?

At what point did those Jews on the day of Pentecostal believe? Was it when they asked "men and brethren, what shall we do (to be saved)?" If so, and obviously it takes faith in the message you just heard to ask such a question, then they needed to do something (even if only repentance) to be saved

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Two ways one can look at this...a person that does not obey is lost....yet Paul did not say "a person that does not believe is lost"..

It's presumed that if a person really did believe they would obey. Well what if we do not presume that? A person can believe but they still need to obey?

How many "evangelicals" would submit that a person can be saved and not repent? Is repentance a work?

At what point did those Jews on the day of Pentecostal believe? Was it when they asked "men and brethren, what shall we do (to be saved)?" If so, and obviously it takes faith in the message you just heard to ask such a question, then they needed to do something (even if only repentance) to be saved

Prax, you know as well as I do that there are tons, millions of people who say they believe God, but don't do the works (Repentence, Baptism, Living for God).

James said "Faith without works is "DEAD!"

[Felicity]

What about this scripture?

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

agonizomai {ag-o-nid'-zom-ahee}

Outline of Biblical Usage:

1) to enter a contest: contend in the gymnastic games

2) to contend with adversaries, fight

3) metaph. to contend, struggle, with difficulties and dangers

4) to endeavour with strenuous zeal, strive: to obtain something

[SDG]

All this is recycled ... we addressed these same issues last 2 weeks in THE THREAD ... including how PAJCers misinterpret James 2 .... I'm not going thru this one again.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Felicity

What about this scripture?

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

agonizomai {ag-o-nid'-zom-ahee}

Outline of Biblical Usage:

1) to enter a contest: contend in the gymnastic games

2) to contend with adversaries, fight

3) metaph. to contend, struggle, with difficulties and dangers

4) to endeavour with strenuous zeal, strive: to obtain something

How does this pertain to Obeying the Gospel?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

All this is recycled ... we addressed these same issues last 2 weeks in THE THREAD ... including how PAJCers misinterpret James 2 .... I'm not going thru this one again.

I don't even know how PAJCERS are.

However, I do know that in that same scripture James talks about Abraham being Justified by Faith through Works.

Faith without works is dead!

[RevDWW]

Wow there is more to this obedience then you might think:

Acts 5:32 (KJV)
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Rom 2:8 - 11 (KJV)
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.

Rom 6:16 - 18 (KJV)
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you .
18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


Heb 5:8 - 9 (KJV)
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Ron

How does this pertain to Obeying the Gospel?

I was hoping you might share your thoughts.

TB preached on this Sunday AM.