Disturbing Trends or Christian Maturity?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Funny!

How was the men's retreat - was this a feature of the events there?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How was the men's retreat - was this a feature of the events there?

I greatly enjoyed the conference - we had record turn-out. David Bernard and Anthony Mangun are always a treat to listen to.

Some of this did occur there, though it did not prevent me from an enjoyable and blessed time in the Lord.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I greatly enjoyed the conference - we had record turn-out. David Bernard and Anthony Mangun are always a treat to listen to.

Some of this did occur there, though it did not prevent me from an enjoyable and blessed time in the Lord.

About the telling people to start speaking in tongues, AM does that I think?

[Hoovie]

I am not willing to discuss names or even quotes on this thread regarding any criticism. Just wanted to throw the general thoughts out there and see what people think.


I am sure the DVDs and CDs are available.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I am not willing to discuss names or even quotes on this thread regarding any criticism. Just wanted to throw the general thoughts out there and see what people think.

I can appreciate and respect that I guess.

My general thoughts are that I don't really go along with some of this either. I speak in tongues a lot when I pray, most of the time in fact. And if someone told me to start praying, I'd do it. If the preacher tells me to stand or start clapping my hands or turn to the person next to me and tell them God loves them I'll do that too (even though I really don't like it ), but to have someone command me to start speaking in tongues at their whim or fancy, I kind of stiffen a bit. Not exactly sure why, because like I said, I speak in tongues usually when I pray anyhow.

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Felicity

If the preacher tells me to stand or start clapping my hands or turn to the person next to me and tell them God loves them I'll do that too (even though I really don't like it ), but to have someone command me to start speaking in tongues at their whim or fancy, I kind of stiffen a bit.

I don't like to be told how to worship either. Even simple things like everyone raise their hands.

I prefer that we were exhorted to reach out to God. I can figure out the specifics on my own, thank you very much.

[stmatthew]

I had a young lady who attended Stockton Bible College tell me this happened at CLC also (the telling everyone to speak in tongues). I believe this is a "Word of Faith" thing, as most of them do this.

If the Holy Ghost is moving, you ain't gonna have to tell folks who are full to speak in tongues. They will already be doing so.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Disturbing Trends?

"Mass healings" of general, unverifiable pains, ailments and diabetes while the crippled and those in wheelchairs are not singled out for healing of their obvious need.


Addressing the devil in prayer, cursing sickness and rebuking the devil in tongues.


"Commanding" everyone to start speaking in tongues when a signal is given.


We speak things that are not as though they were... but when is this done at the expense of truth?

The ignorance of some stuff done in the Name of God and Pentecost is amazing. I would not tolerate this foolishness in a New York second. The sensational always draws a crowd while reason sometimes stands alone.

1 Cor 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I suppose that this concept has gone largely unnoticed.

This is what is really being said:

"Ok everybody, hear from the man of God, all at once now.....disobey Paul's archaic teaching from 1 Corinthians 14. He was inspired by the old Holy Ghost...we are of the New!”

“Ready…set…Go!”

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Theophilus

1 Cor 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I suppose that this concept has gone largely unnoticed.

This is what is really being said:

"Ok everybody, hear from the man of God, all at once now.....disobey Paul's archaic teaching from 1 Corinthians 14. He was inspired by the old Holy Ghost...we are of the New!”

“Ready…set…Go!”

How could anyone be so foolish who have recieved the genuine experience to think you could speak in tongues at will or on command.