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Darcie · #21 09-01-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

I have never seen that, and I grew up in a far more conservative area than NYC.

How many of these awful churches have you attended enough to know this about them?

You would have to go for a good while to really be able to make such a judgment.

Truly, this sounds like one of those Pentecostal urban myths, the horrible preachers who preach nothing but Acts 2:38 and standards.

So tell us...how many can you say for sure are like this, in your experience?

Or is this assumption and hearsay?

I've been in UPC for my whole life 32 years. Thank God my pastor wasn't that way... but I know what I'm talking about. I've traveled enough and been to enough conferences.

Amos · #22 09-01-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I agree, particularly when the other participants never brought it up as an issue or when they themselves never have in the past as an issue (me). After a while it gets annoying and when just about every topic ends up like that it just drags them all down imo

We really need an Apostolic version of Snopes.com.

We could call it Prax.com,and you could debunk all the dumb myths perpetrated by those who don't like us and repeated by people who want to indulge theor passion for self-loathing over being Apostolic.

Praxeas · #23 09-01-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

I have never seen that, and I grew up in a far more conservative area than NYC.

How many of these awful churches have you attended enough to know this about them?

You would have to go for a good while to really be able to make such a judgment.

Truly, this sounds like one of those Pentecostal urban myths, the horrible preachers who preach nothing but Acts 2:38 and standards.

So tell us...how many can you say for sure are like this, in your experience?

Or is this assumption and hearsay?

but this Pentecostal urban myth is being constantly perpetuated by people claiming to be Oneness Pentecostal on Oneness Pentecostal boards. My former Pastor was pretty conservative and we did not get a constant weekly dose of "all you need is Acts 2:38 and standards" and that was before my current Pastor who I would describe as being more moderate

Darcie · #24 09-01-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

but this Pentecostal urban myth is being constantly perpetuated by people claiming to be Oneness Pentecostal on Oneness Pentecostal boards. My former Pastor was pretty conservative and we did not get a constant weekly dose of "all you need is Acts 2:38 and standards" and that was before my current Pastor who I would describe as being more moderate

I've been in UPC for my whole life 32 years. Thank God my pastor wasn't that way... but I know what I'm talking about. I've traveled enough and been to enough conferences.

Darcie · #25 09-01-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

The most dynamic, entertaining, riveting oratory is empty if it doesn't tell people God's only plan of salvation.

Trinitarian churches don't ever preach that message.

their preaching is therefore as empty as it can get, no matter how entertaining it might be, or how much good information there is on anger management, coping skills, reationship advice, stress relief, or whatever hot topic the Osteens of the world are pontificating about.

Just quoting!

Amos · #26 09-01-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

I've been in UPC for my whole life 32 years. Thank God my pastor wasn't that way... but I know what I'm talking about. I've traveled enough and been to enough conferences.

So by hearing a man preach a sermon or two at a conference, you can tell what he preaches "99.9% of the time" at his church?

Sister, you are either selling us a bill of goods, or yo have bought into one.

I rather think it is the latter.

I believe you to be sincere, but you are wrong about this, plain and simple.

Just visiting a church a night or two or hearing a man at a conference does NOT qualify you to make the kind of sweeping, broad brush statements and judgemnts you are passing around here.

Darcie · #27 09-01-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

So by hearing a man preach a sermon or two at a conference, you can tell what he preaches "99.9% of the time" at his church?

Sister, you are either selling us a bill of goods, or yo have bought into one.

I rather think it is the latter.

I believe you to be sincere, but you are wrong about this, plain and simple.

Just visiting a church a night or two or hearing a man at a conference does NOT qualify you to make the kind of sweeping, broad brush statements and judgemnts you are passing around here.

Its called life experience...I'm not saying I know it all...NOT AT ALL.. I know what I've seen for myself, what my peers have experienced...

And by the way... I never said all OP preachers are one and the same... so lets lighten up here.

Amos · #28 09-01-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

Its called life experience...I'm not saying I know it all...NOT AT ALL.. I know what I've seen for myself, what my peers have experienced...

And by the way... I never said all OP preachers are one and the same... so lets lighten up here.

Then with due respect, lighten up on the sweeping generalizations about my brethren...

I have been around longer than you have.

I have preached in approximately half the districts in the USA, and a couple of foreign countries.

And I have never, ever met this mythical preacher who preaches Acts 2:38 and standards 99.9% of the time.

And do you know what?

I don't think very many of your peers have either.

That is a load of bunk.

Darcie · #29 09-01-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

The most dynamic, entertaining, riveting oratory is empty if it doesn't tell people God's only plan of salvation.

Trinitarian churches don't ever preach that message.

their preaching is therefore as empty as it can get, no matter how entertaining it might be, or how much good information there is on anger management, coping skills, reationship advice, stress relief, or whatever hot topic the Osteens of the world are pontificating about.

Again, Bro. Amos, this is where I started my deal on the Acts 2:38

Arphaxad · #30 09-01-2007, 07:06 PM

Church is what I make of it. If the Holy Ghost is moving and people are seeking God and they are behind the preacher and the message is dynamic, but I have a lousy attitude and can't get into it, or the preacher says one thing I don't like and so I start fault finding, and don't pray through and leave with the same crummy attitude, than I'm the one thats dead. I have never been to a "dead'' church.

ARPH